Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

We are talking heavyweights. Show me a top 20 pound for pound list while he was active. They typically stop at 10-15. I think you are making things up. Calling you out again...

Which of the below can Holyfield match?

1 ) He has the best rounds won to round lost ratio in the history of boxing among champions.
2 ) He was never floored by a punch.
3 ) He has one of the highest KO% in division history
4 ) He came back 4 years out of the ring in his late 30's and went on to dominate.
5 ) He also made the hall of fame on his first try, and had the most votes in the class

I guessing you won't answer, which is wise but I'm going to act like you for a moment and say that's ducking is you don't reply to all 5 points.

At least my material is accurate. Gotta run now. Will count the ducks when I come back.

 

Pound For Pound 1998

1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
6. Shane Mosley
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Naseem Hamed
10. Johnny Tapia

20 year career and Vitali never came close to cracking the P4P list. . Picking Vitali is like picking Pavlik to beat Marvin Hagler. And thats giving Vitali credit as Pavlik boxed with more skill than Vitali.

 

Man_Machine

Holyfield carries the majority of the advantages, though - He has the superior workrate; a superior armory; superior hand speed and punch accuracy; superior foot speed and foot work; a superior inside game; superior reaction times/reflexes; superior counter-punching ability.

All this and Holyfield has a world-class chin, to boot. So, he's not going anywhere.

Vitali would not have seen anything like it before. The questions should really be: How would Vitali keep up with Holyfield? How does Vitali keep Holyfield at his preferred range? How would Vitali know what's coming next? How on Earth does Vitali win?

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While I agree with most of this, aside from Holyfield having superior workrate over Vitali. I don't think that compensates for the jab and reach advantages of Vitali.

We'll have to respectfully disagree. I agree Vitali hasn't fought anyone as good as Holyfield but Holyfield hasn't come up against anyone like Vitali either.

I was 50-50 on this prior to watching Lewis-Holyfield 2. And I realise there's the argument Holyfield was past prime here. But all the same my opinion will remain Holyfield can't cope with Vitali's jab.

 

Il go with 1993 Holyfield and his Manny Steward triple hammer pin-point accurate jab to beat Vitali. Reality tells me Vitali would not cope with such a technically proficient jab , let alone the right hand counters and combination punching.

 

you just do not know how to score fights

 

A washed up Peter and old and fat Sanders.Those are his best 2 wins.He lost against an old and fat Lewis and against Byrd.Holyfield’s only losses in his prime are against Bowe and Moorer.And Holyfield got the better wins, way better.

 

What Dino is missing is that Vitali went after Lewis and was not attempting to "keep him off him". He was trying to KTFO Lewis.

Always spinning a narrative

 

Except I do and you don't. You're deliberately ignoring the points I make which makes me thing you're a fanboy. There's a thread for this. I have a detailed analysis of each round. If you want to disagree on this bout I suggest being reasonably to the rest of the posters here and to do so on that thread.

 

You need to look up the definition of "mistakes"...
...as well as what the phrase" "Apples to oranges" means...
...and the same go for the phrase "2 + 2 = 5".

 

Bowe and Lewis were significantly superior to Vitali and Holyfield's outings against them more than demonstrate that he'd be up to the task against VK.

Yes, Vitali has size and reach, but he's not his brother when it comes to taking advantage of them, e.g. maximizing the length of the jab. Moreover, there's not a huge difference in the wingspan of Vitali and Holyfield, despite the difference in height.

I do find this image you portray of a Holyfield, being somehow paralysed by Vitali's size a bit curious, though.

I just can't envisage a peak Holyfield, who was giving away roughly 30lbs to Bowe, in both '92 and '93, simply being neutralized by a big guy, with a penchant for feinting jabs and a 1-2.

Still - Each to their own.

 

Your analysis why VITALI would beat Holyfield was ridiculous and as been exposed by me as such.Just a completely superficial analysis.And your scorecard is the same.All close rounds you give to Lewis.That is what I call a biased scorecard.But I will post mine on the other thread, rest assured,

 

It’s hard to go with evander sometimes because he struggled with guys like cooper, Stewart, and old Holmes, I think he was a great fighter but i also think vitali has the tools to neutralize him

 

All this best rounds ratio **** would mean something if his opposition was even half way decent,there's just too much dross on Vitali's record.

 

Oh please, you put so much extra fluff into an argument your missing the forest for a tree only you can see.

Just tell me why Holyfield who was on PED's struggled so badly to beat Bowe and Lewis? Then tell me why he's 1-1 vs Moorer, and 1-1-1 vs Ruiz. And finally why he didn't look good in fights vs lesser competition. These are my points, and the fact side with me. If Holyfield was as great as you might think, he should have done better in the ring. If you want to talk common opponents, its Vitali all the way. If you want to use Lennox Lewis as the judge, he says Vitali was his toughest opponent. You do agree that Lewis was better than Holyfield....I hope

Do you want to admit this or debate that? A complete duck tells me everything.