Expert opinions on Marciano VS Liston

Liston was a better boxer.
Better hitter
More accurate puncher
Had better balance
Marciano had no jab
Slow feet
Slow hands
And he cut.
Marciano's stamina was only tested at top level against older, shop worn men, 90% of whom were not modern heavyweights
Liston bullied big class heavyweights.Marciano never fought any.

 

I wouldn’t call Charles who whooped Liston in sparring shop worn at the time. Prime? No. But he had just beaten Satterfield...something Williams couldn’t do. Those older men were some of the best ever. Walcott Charles and Moore are a better top three then Patterson Folley and Machen. So if we are comparing competition I really wouldn’t go there. Also the average weight of opponents is pretty close w these two. Can’t really say that.

 

Charles had nearly a 100 fights on his clock and had lost 2 of his last 4 fights. Williams was a late sub 20 year old FFS!

 

How about that? Westphal landed punches on Sonny but Rocky can’t....

 

He lost two fights to great fighters and that was before his two fight win streak. They weren’t Marty Marshall. Nino refuses to rematch him so he fought the man that beat him in Satterfield and knocked him out. That being said I don’t even begrudge Liston losing that fight early in his career. It happens.

 

It’s not Charles that needs building up. It’s guys like Foley and Harris. And mr Williams.

these guys don’t compare to Charles at all.

 

Who said he wouldn't land some punches which post?

 

Marty Marshall was Liston's 8th fight, are you being coached by Choccy?

 

I'm of the opinion Louis was a shell of his former self. Hell he looked like he was 50 yrs old and he still troubled Rocky with the jab.
Frazier was also undefeated when he ran into Foreman and going by Foremans opposition who would have thought he'd run over Joe. So its completely plausible to me and I believe that's how it would go down. Rocky doesnt see 6 against Liston

 

That Louis still would have troubled many a good fighter even at that stage of his career because Louis was active and still a legit elite fighter. Logical contender to the title no less.

yes but with hindsight that result is more understandable than any comparison with Liston and Foreman for a whole bunch of reasons. Had Marciano won the kind of fight Frazier had with Ali, where his blood pressure became such a dangerous issue that doctors fought to save him from having a seizure during a spell in hospital that put the whole future of his career into total jeopardy, I guess Rocky would also be ripe for a disaster against somebody like Liston. But that never happened to Marciano did it? The record shows Frazier never had an elite win after beating Ali. That was not the case after Rocky beat Walcott. So the comparison can not be the same.

It is only completely plausible if you think Marciano was where Frazier was after the hospitalisation and changes he went through after the first Ali fight...and completely plausible if you think Liston and Foreman were the same guy.

 

Liston wins any day of the week and twice on Suday's.
And by a a brutal KO.

 

Louis looked like **** against Marciano, elite fighter bollocks!

 

Marshall was also Sonnys 15th fight too. That time Sonny got his lips cut and was hit with haymakers in the closing rounds even if he comfortably won the fight. It was not that an impressive win with all those extra fights worth of experience.

Jimmy Jordon, Pittsburgh post Gazette March 7 1956
Marshall backing up most of the fight, did manage to land a few wild lefts and rights, all haymakers, high on Listons head as he fought with the finesse of an octopus reaching for its prey, but the only apparent damage he inflicted was a slight trickle of blood from the left nostril and a bit of blood from the lower lip of Liston.

 

Without going back and fourth with you all day as that has never been my thing here I'll just agree to disagree. IMO Liston beats the hell out of Marciano and I stand by that.

 

You can say the same about Roy Harris against Liston too.