SURVEY CLOSED

Just go for it man, worst case scenario you learn some new names when you see the final results.

 

I'm now satisfied HW through LW

 

I can make only my HW list and probably P4P a little bit later:
HW:
1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Marciano
6. Lewis
7. Wlad
8. Holyfield
9. Frazier
10. Liston
11. Tyson
12. Johnson
13. Schmeling
14. Patterson
15. Bowe

First 3 I think it's obious, no explanation needed

Foreman prbably didn't have the long domination and quantity of title defenses like Lennox or Wlad and his resume wa clearly inferior to Holyfield's one, but the most impressive thing about his career is that he actually had 2(!!!) great careers in 1, winning his second lineal title 21 years after he won the first one.

Marciano over Lewis and Wlad... Well, I think both would dominate him (if focused) in reality and both have longevity over Rocky. But Rocky had incredible achievement being the only heavyweight hampion of the world to retire unbeaten. Lewis' and Wlad's upset losses put them lower than Rocky in my list. Plus Marciano has beaten some great, great fighters. Charles and Moore are widely considred among top 10 fighters P4P, Louis as well but he was shot when he fought Rocky...

Holyfield at 8 - I would definitely put him over Lennox and Wlad in the P4P rankings and he has the second best resume at HW after Muhammad Ali, in my opinion. But he didn't dominate at HW... His resume is so good though that I won't argue if people put him in their top 5

Frazier... Again, I can see him being higher in this list. He has probably the greatest win in the HW history and he lost only to ATG heavyweights...

Schmeling at 13 might be non-popular pick, but I think Maz had excepcional career and one of the greatest wins in the history of the division.

Bowe at 15. Riddick certainly lacked depth and longevity. But H2H he was one of the best heavyweights ever, no doubts in my mind.

 

Where are you struggling pal?

 

I'm not tbh, I'm going through division by division fine tuning.

 

I read your now as a not lool.

 

Thanks for the reminder, I will get on to it.


Rumsfeld, you are amazing and/or mad! Just the thought of trying to sort this out gives me a headache.


Good luck and thanks in advance for the results; it will be really interesting to compare and contrast our thoughts with nearly a decade ago now.



FLY
1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Pancho Villa
3. Ricardo Lopez
4. Benny Lynch
5. Pascual Perez
6. Jung Koo Chang
7. Myung Woo Yuh
8. Sot Chitalada
9. Fighting Harada
10. Fidel La Barba
11. Yuri Arbachakov
12. Pone Kingpetch
13. Miguel Canto
14. Midget Wolgast
15. Little Dado

BANTAM
1. Carlos Zarate
2. Eder Jofre
3. Ruben Olivares
4. Manuel Ortiz
5. George Dixon
6. Terry McGovern
7. Al Brown
8. Jeff Chandler
9. Lupe Pintor
10. Jimmy Carruthers
11. Kaosai Galaxy
12. Rafael Marquez
13. Gilberto Roman
14. Lionel Rose
15. Jeff Fenech

FEATHER
1. Sandy Saddler
2. Willie Pep
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Azumah Nelson
7. Salvador Sanchez
8. Marco Antonio Barrera
9. Johnny Kilbane
10. Joey Archibald
11. Vicente Saldivar
12. Abe Attell
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. Hogan 'Kid' Bassey
15. George Dixon

LIGHT
1. Roberto Duran
2. Benny Leonard
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Tony Canzoneri
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Joe Gans
7. Barney Ross
8. Ike Williams
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Bob Montgomery
11. Carlos Ortiz
12. Battling Nelson
13. Floyd Mayweather Jr
14. Ken Buchanan
15. Alexis Arguello

WELTER
1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Emile Griffith
4. Kid Gavilan
5. Ray Leonard
6. Jose Napoles
7. Jim McLarnin
8. Mickey Walker
9. Felix Trinidad
10. Barney Ross
11. 'The original' Joe Walcott
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Thomas Hearns
14. Tommy Ryan
15. Fritzie Zivic

MIDDLE
1. Carlos Monzon
2. Ray Robinson
3. Mickey Walker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Marvin Hagler
6. Charley Burley
7. Gennady Golovkin
8. Harry Greb
9. Roy Jones
10. Stanley Ketchel
11. Dick Tiger
12. Jack Dempsey
13. Tony Zale
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Nino Benvenuti

LIGHT HEAVY
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Gene Tunney
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Bob Foster
7. Michael Spinks
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Roy Jones Jr
10. Billy Conn
11. Harold Johnson
12. Andre Ward
13. John Henry Lewis
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Maxie Rosenbloom

HEAVY
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Jack Johnson
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Evander Holyfield
10. James J Jeffries
11. Wlad Klitschko
12. Mike Tyson
13. Sonny Liston
14. Joe Frazier
15. Harry Wills


ALL TIME BEST
1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Roberto Duran
4. Harry Greb
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Joe Louis
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Archie Moore
10. Sam Langford
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr
13. Benny Leonard
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Gene Tunney
16. Sandy Sadler
17. Willie Pep
18. Charley Burley
19. Ray Leonard
20. Barney Ross
21. Pernell Whitaker
22. Manny Paciquao
23. Julio Cesar Chavez
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Roy Jones Jr

 

I only know about Heavyweights so I’ll do the list for them:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Marciano
5. Foreman
6. Liston
7. Lewis
8. Dempsey
9. Tyson
10. Holmes
11. Klitschko
12. Frazier
13. Holyfield
14. Jeffries
15. Langford

 

Fly
1.Jimmy Wilde
2.Benny Lynch
3.Miguel Canto
4.Pascuel Perez
5.Midget Wolgast
6.Frankie Genaro
7.Peter Kane
8.Pancho Villa
9.Fidel Labarba
10.Chartchoi Chinoi
11.Ramon Goinzalez
12.Pone Kingpetch
13.Newsboy Brown
14.Masao Obha
15.Walter McGowan

Bantam
1.Eder Jofre
2.Ruben Olivares
3.Manuel Ortiz
4.Carlos Zarate
5.Pete Herman
6.Al Brown
7.Jeff Chandler
8.Lupe Pintor
9.Lionel Rose
10.Kid Williams
11.Joe Lynch
12.Johnny Coulon
13.Rafael Herrera
14.Chucho Castillo
15.Jesus Pimental

Feather
1.Willie Pep
2.Sandy Saddler
3.Henry Armstrong
4.Terry McGovern
5.Abe Attell
6.Alexis Arguello
7.Eusebio Pedroza
8.Saldivar Sanchez
9.Vincente Saldivar
10.Jack Berg
11.Kid Chocolate
12.Jim Driscoll
13.George Dixon
14.Bat Battalino
15.Johnny Kilbane

Light
1.Benny Leonard
2.Joe Gans
3.Ike Williams
4.Roberto Duran
5.Pernell Whitaker
6.Tony Canzoneri
7.Packy McFarland
8.Freddie Welsh
9.Henry Armstrong
10.Joe Brown
11.Carlos Ortiz
12.Barney Ross
13.Sammy Mandell
14.Lou Ambers
15.Bob Montgomery

Welter
1.Ray Robinson
2.Ray Leonard
3.Charley Burley
5.Tommy Hearns
6.Jose Napoles
7.Jimmy McLarnin
8.Jack Britton
9.Kid Gavilan
10.Emile Griffith
11.MIckey Walker
12.Ted Lewis
13.Joe Walcott
14.Oscar De La Hoya
15. Luis Rodriguez

Middle
1. Harry Greb
2.Carlos Monzon
3.Ray Robinson
4.Marvin Hagler
5.Mickey Walker
6.Freddie Steele
7.Stanley Ketchel
8.Charley Burley
9.Dick Tiger
10.Jake Lamotta
11.Tony Zale
12.Roy Jone
13.Joey Giardello
14.Bernard Hopkins
15.Fred Apostoli

Light Heavy
1.Sam Langford
2.Ezzard Charles
3.Gene Tunney
4.Archie Moore
5.Bob Foster
6.Billy Conn
7.Tommy Loughran
8.Mike Spinks
9.Harold Johnson
10.Jack Delaney
11.John Henry Lewis
12.Maxie Rosenbloom
13.Saad Muhammad
14.Jack Dillon
15 .Bob Fitzsimmons

Heavy
1.Muhammad Ali
2.Jack Johnson
3.Jack Dempsey
4.Joe Louis
5.Sonny Liston
6.Larry Holmes
7.George Foreman
8.Lennox Lewis
9.Evander Holyfield
10.Mike Tyson
11.Riddick Bowe
12.Rocky Marciano
13.Joe Frazier
14.Sam Langford
15.Wlad Klitschko


P4P
1.Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Henry Armstrong
4.Ezzard Charles
5.Sam Langford
6.Roberto Duran
7.Ray Leonard
8.Bob Fitzsimmons
9.Julio Chavez
10.Manny Pacquiao
11.Archie Moore
12.Tony Canzoneri
13.Willie Pep
14.Pernell Whitaker
15.Benny Leonard
16.Muhammad Ali
17.Eder Jofre
18 .Joe Walcott
19.Barney Ross
20.Jimmy McLarnin
21.Terry McGovern
22.Joe Gans
23.Mickey Walker
24.Sandy Saddler
25.Tommy Hearns

 

No Ebihara in TOP15 fly lists just make me sad

 

Glad to see you aboard!

 

Do your lists and make sure he is.

 

I think my boxing knowledge is not so deep yet. Some day in the future, I guess

 

If its deep enough to criticse a list, it's deep enough to compile a list.