Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

Okay Dino, I have proven you wrong constantly I don't think your lying, just badly informed and classic Kiltschko hater. Everyone here would agree with that. I shows fact that really make you look bad. To make matters worse, you don't even say I made a mistake. When I ask for the same proof in return you offer none.

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So you see I asked you to show me the re-match clause first. Show it to me in print.

GET HELP!

 

WHERE IS THE LIST MENDOZA? Just a gentle reminder. Are you telling me that you can't find at least one credible public source which agrees with you and ranks Vitali as a greater heavyweight than Holyfield !!!! LOOOL

Here another one, take that. And that one loves the Klits as it has Wlad at 6! Still Vander Commander ahead of Vitali
https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/n...-boxers-of-all-time-have-been-ranked-20200414

Or that one: https://www.givemesport.com/1547377-the-50-greatest-heavyweights-of-all-time-have-been-named

You keep searching, boy.

 

To answer you question I already told you the Ring loves Holy and placed him 3 overall, which is just terrible. Look at the who did the voting! Besides they say greatest not head to head. There is a huge difference.

If you want me to show you a boxing list from Eastern Europe on heavyweight boxing rankings as opposed to Ring Magazine who traditional loves American fighters, would that make you happy? It took the Ring for ever to give Lennox Lewis his due. They have never liked non-American heavyweight.

You own me the following: A yes or no will do. If you say no, please explain. Simple enough.

1 ) Do you think Holyfield beat Ruiz in the first fight? I say Holy should be 0-2-1...vs Ruiz.

2 ) Do think PED's had anything to do with his trasformation in body tyes from 190 to 210-220?

3 ) Do you agree Holyfield performed worse vs common opponents that Vitali fought?

4 ) Holyfield is 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe on fair cards. Don't you think Vitali could at least o this well?

5 ) How past it was Mike Tyson? The 1980's version vs. the 1996 version Holyfield beat?

6 ) Can you admit the draw with Lennox Lewis was absolute bogus?

7 ) How much does getting Ko'd by a 5'10" non punching blown up middleweight at age 40 factor into this debate? Toney was in his mid 30's and fat.

8 ) Where would you rank Moorer, in the top 50 if he's even there. He's 1-1 vs Holyfield.

9 ) Do you agree that Holyfield was a dirty fighter?

10 ) Do you agree that Holyfield had trouble with bigger men in shape with skills?

I don't want to see 10 ducks here. How about 0 for a chance? You're on Blade...

 

A source that proves Vitali sought the rematch , or else you lose the debate.. Any response unrelated to the topic proves you lost the debate.
Vitali avoided the rematch- prove ME wrong.. Awaiting an answer.

Watch as Doza ducks and runs from the topic.

 

Dino,

First of all don't call anyone here a liar.

Secondly you claimed there was a re-match clause, I asked to see it. You never showed it. This is on you to produce, not myself. Must I quote you them myself to embarrass you further?

 

Again, are you seriously telling me that you can't find at least one credible public source which agrees with you and ranks Vitali as a greater heavyweight than Holyfield !!!! LOOOOOOL Why should I then continue to discuss your stupid points.They are just your stupid disingenious personal opinion. I am not going to waste my time with that. YOU PROVE ME SOMEBDODY CREDIBLE AGREES WITH YOU, or I am gone.

You think the Bible of Boxing is biased. Well, here another one, take that. And that one LOVES THE KLITS as it has Wlad at 6! Still Vander Commander ahead of Vitali
https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/n...-boxers-of-all-time-have-been-ranked-20200414

Or that one: https://www.givemesport.com/1547377-the-50-greatest-heavyweights-of-all-time-have-been-named

You keep searching, boy. WHERE IS THE LIST?

 

So you have no proof at all that Vitali sought a rematch?? Thought so , because he didn't. . You could easily win the debate by providing a source that proves Vitali attempted to trigger his rematch clause.

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I gave you a reply. Did you even read it? Now answer my 10 questions if you can


>>>To answer you question I already told you the Ring loves Holy and placed him 3 overall, which is just terrible. Look at the who did the voting! Besides they say greatest not head to head. There is a huge difference.

If you want me to show you a boxing list from Eastern Europe on heavyweight boxing rankings as opposed to Ring Magazine who traditional loves American fighters, would that make you happy? It took the Ring for ever to give Lennox Lewis his due. They have never liked non-American heavyweight.

You own me the following: A yes or no will do. If you say no, please explain. Simple enough.

1 ) Do you think Holyfield beat Ruiz in the first fight? I say Holy should be 0-2-1...vs Ruiz.

2 ) Do think PED's had anything to do with his trasformation in body tyes from 190 to 210-220?

3 ) Do you agree Holyfield performed worse vs common opponents that Vitali fought?

4 ) Holyfield is 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe on fair cards. Don't you think Vitali could at least o this well?

5 ) How past it was Mike Tyson? The 1980's version vs. the 1996 version Holyfield beat?

6 ) Can you admit the draw with Lennox Lewis was absolute bogus?

7 ) How much does getting Ko'd by a 5'10" non punching blown up middleweight at age 40 factor into this debate? Toney was in his mid 30's and fat.

8 ) Where would you rank Moorer, in the top 50 if he's even there. He's 1-1 vs Holyfield.

9 ) Do you agree that Holyfield was a dirty fighter?

10 ) Do you agree that Holyfield had trouble with bigger men in shape with skills?

I don't want to see 10 ducks here. How about 0 for a chance? You're on Blade...

Ten ducks and counting. ..

 

I agree with your sentiments here, for sure.

Re Lewis - I don't think it was so much that he was in his Prime against Holyfield (Lewis was 33 and would be 34 by the time he and Holyfield re-matched); more him finally putting it all together in a big fight against the Number-1 guy in the division.

Holyfield, of course, was certainly not in his prime, even if he showed that there was still life in the old dog. Testament to the man's greatness but, as far as the rematch with Lewis is concerned, this could be seen as Holyfield's 'Last Hurrah'.

I can't think why the Ruiz trilogy is pertinent to this thread. However, for what it's worth, if there had been any doubt about Holyfield's meaningful career by 2000, this trilogy confirmed it as being effectively over by then. The last two hard-fought bouts with Lewis using the remains of what Holyfield had to offer.

... All that left was a preview of an era to come; not a measure of a rapidly fading yesteryear.

 

WHERE IS THE LIST? You keep searching fanboy.
Besides the Ring list, I already sent you two other lists having Holyfield ahead.I could find dozens more!!

It is official, Mendoza can’find one credible public source agreeing with his claim Vitali ranks higher than HolyfieldThat is it for me, I am out.You keep living in your fantasy world boy.No credible source agrees with you.No sense to carry on the discussion.And it ends with a crushing defeat for you

 

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Published On Thu Sep 22, 2005

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FightCity April 1, 2000: Klitschko vs Byrd

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Chris Byrd - I had to come back and fight his brother. They had a gameplan for me

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Okay, lets use YOUR LIST for the moment

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/n...-boxers-of-all-time-have-been-ranked-20200414

Vitali at #12,

Holyfield at #11.

Now answer me with all honesty, do you think Bivins, Tunney, and Marciano are all better than Holyfield? YES Or NO. Answer for once and You will have proved my point .

12. Vitali Klitschko

11. Evander Holyfield

10. Jimmy Bivins (1940-1955, 86-25-1): 389

9. Mike Tyson (1985-2005, 50-6-0): 392.9

8. Riddick Bowe (1989-2008, 43-1-0): 417

7. Gene Tunney (1915-1928, 79-1-4): 464.7

6. Wladimir Klitschko (1996-2017, 64-5-0): 537.5

5. Lennox Lewis (1989-2003, 41-2-1): 547.9

4. Sonny Liston (1953-1970, 50-4-0): 625.7

3. Rocky Marciano (1947-1955, 49-0-0): 692.2

2. Muhammad Ali (1960-1981, 56-5-0): 757.9

1. Joe Louis (1934-1951, 66-3-0): 1,012


You still own me the 10 questions I asked, where is it?

 

WHERE IS THE LIST ? You can’t obviously find one which proves that your claim is completely ridiculous.You are alone with your ridiculous claim, do you realize that? I will post you some more lists tomorrow.Now, keepsearching boy, which I know you are.

 

Holyfield's wins over Bowe and Tyson alone easily eclipse anything on Vitali's resume.