the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. cleming

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    I agree this was far from dominant from Frampton. Does some of you remember how you scored Frampton vs Quigg ?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, can't remember at all, I think I probably didn't score it, I wasn't really interested from memory.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Leo Santa Cruz MD12 Carl Frampton

    Frampton kicks off the same way - he's trying to show different levels and lateral looks but without compromising footwork. Picking not badly with the jab. But it's Santa who scores with the first meaningful punch and Santa who lands more punches this round. He's doing better at holding the distance in this first round. That's a difference for sure. Still, they have enough big exchanges that Frampton won't be sad, but he lost the opener.

    Santa is working hard to avoid overextension which he's correctly identified as a big problem, not just physical but strategic. He's boxing much more within his sphere of influence and stopped trying to extend it so far. He's also looking for his jab to deal with Frampton's counter-rushes and it is a handsome looking punch. Cruz will fight when he must but it's not his first priority right now. Cruz wins a very hot fourth which is very bad news for Frampton. That's his wheelhouse. Basically he's on the inside throwing high high volume with good accuracy and hoping it will carry him and it does. This is the opposite of the first fight: Frampton is in trouble on the cards after six. He just cannot tie a couple of rounds together which almost always means L-O-S-S. That spells moon. He has a good seventh though, showing some great defensive work right at the end to protect what he put in - and this has made it a closer fight.

    Lots of holding in the eighth compared to their other fight - which is a very interesting round. Santa lands more, Frampton lands the more eye-catching stuff and I think that Frampton's aggression just about carries it for me. But very, very close round making it a close fight at 4-4 despite the fact that it feels like Carl is losing. Got the crap beaten out of him in the ninth. Santa is jabbing but not risking much behind it and that's got Carl very frustrated. He's passed the over-extend onto his opponent, very good generalship. Fair play to Carl for hanging on.

    Poor closing from Frampton; Santa Cruz dominated him.

    Frampton:3,5,7,8.
    Santa:1,2,4,6,9,10,11,12.

    116-112 Santa Cruz

    Official: 114-114, 115-113x2
     
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  4. Jel

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    Dick Tiger v Joey Giardello 4

    Clear win by Tiger who got off to a good start while Giardello seemed content to try and stick and move.

    Second half of the fight was closer with Giardello having more success but Tiger had already built up a big enough lead that it didn't matter.

    1 10-10
    2 10-9 (big round from Tiger, rocking Joey)
    3 10-9
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (better from Giardello)
    6 10-9
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    9 9-10 (close)
    10 9-10 (close)
    11 10-9
    12 10-9 (big round for Tiger)
    13 9-10
    14 9-10
    15 10-9

    Tiger 145 - 141 Giardello

    Tiger wins 9 rounds to 5 with 1 even
     
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  5. PhillyPhan69

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    Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.


    Floyd shows his brilliance and adaptability/versatility in this fight. A shame that I hated him for most of his career and have only come to appreciate him over the past few years. He does a great job of countering, blending solid fundamental defense with great instincts and reflexes, then in round 3 he changes up taking the lead, forcing the action and patiently cutting the ring of and setting the tempo. By round 4 he is firmly in control (not dominating but simply dissecting), Ortiz lunges with what I can only call an “intentional” Butt, on the restart they touch gloves and Floyd capitalizes on Ortiz’s lack of concentration and delivers the ending blow on an unaware Ortiz...not illegal but not a pleasing end either. Hard to feel bad for Ortiz after the butt, so I don’t. Good fight that I would like to have seen unfold. My guess is Floyd would have stopped him around 8-9 anyway, but who knows. He was on his way to a clear 3-5 point lead (5 on my card had 4 been complete).

    Floyd 30-27 before the KO in 4
     
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    Ricardo Mayorga vs. Oscar De La Hoya

    Well I remember this fight like it was yesterday. Mayorga talking trash during the buildup but I don’t remember thinking he was a serious threat to DLH.

    Oscar starts strong right out of the gate and delivers a solid short compact right followed by a left hook that Mayorga didn’t see coming and down he goes. This is pretty much a clinic by Oscar. Timing and countering Mayorga at will, beating him to the punch with short crisp compact punches landing before the windmills of Mayorga. Oscar picks of most of the crude wild slugging wide punches of Mayorga. Mayorga looks his best in rd 4 landing some clean blows but Oscar still takes another commanding round. In 6 Mayorga drops to a knee, and he knows and we know it is over. Oscar displays some great finishing skills here and the ref waves it off saving Mayorga from more damage.

    Oscar 50-44 at TOS in round 6.
     
  7. Webbiano

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    I swear that was the cagiest first 6 rounds I’ve seen in a fight. I wouldn’t want to revisit it simply because of that. I think I had it 7-5 Frampton on the night, but I was rooting for Quigg so make of that what you will. Quigg just took to long to get going and didn’t take enough risks early.
     
  8. Webbiano

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    I don’t think anyone would hold that against you McG, it was certainly a fight to forget.
     
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    Leo Santa Cruz MD12 Abner Mares

    The first fight between these two from 2015. Mares opens very aggressively in what looks like a big ring they'e not going to need. Cruz looks pre-prime in this one by a fight, a little clums coming forwards, Mares finding him with right hands early then out-throwing him inside in a thrilling first. He's waiting for the Cruz power-punch then throwing two-handed.

    Mares want the top of his head behind Santa Cruz's left shoulder, that's where he wants this fight. Then he throws two-handed to volume score. That's a very tiring strategy and nor does it work for him in this round. Cruz scores well at distance and spins Mares for a key exchange near the end of the round for his first real infighting score. The second is as clear for Cruz in the second as the first was for Mares. Cruz is dialled in now. I was wrong about him not being prime for this fight, he was. Very long prime this guy has had/is having.

    I've missed what it is that has discouraged Mares, but he's now plodding - away - while Cruz stalks him gently, he's over-reaching a little bit but Mares isn't anything like as compact as Frampton and he is failing miserably to take advantage. Mares had a clearly defined and affective strategy for the first 1.25 rounds but now he looks vulnerable. Santa Cruz clipped low in the first minute of the fifth - this round is very close, maybe the beltline work by Mares can capture him a key round. Nope. Santa Cruz is running away with this a bit. Fifth was close though. Sixth wasn't; Mares is just being stalked and out-hit, what a strange, bizarre fight. Wtf are his corner saying?

    Mares has a good seventh, working hard, getting to the inside, troubling Cruz more but he still doesn't win it on my card. I think Cruz landed the better stuff right up until the end of the round. Mares now needs a knockout to win on my card.

    Santa:2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11.
    Mares:1,9,12.

    117-111

    Official: 114-114, 117-111x2.

    Drawn card is as bad as you will see. Despite the fight being very good in patches it was frustrating due to Mares' strategy which was odd. Not entirely sure why there was a rematch, but I'll take a look.
     
  10. Jel

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    Roberto Duran v Esteban DeJesus 3

    This was close enough through the first 7 rounds before Duran started to take clear control. It was still competive even when Duran was banking rounds so the first knockdown in the 12th felt like it came out of the blue. But DeJesus was broken, although he didn't show it until that moment.

    Even with DeJesus prone, Duran remained measured, methodical and picked his shots with a calm fury.

    A tremendous performance from one of the true lightweight greats.

    1 10-10 (close, cagey opener - not much in it)
    2 10-9 (slick countering from Duran)
    3 9-10 (close, good exhanges)
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 10-9 (brutal counters from Duran)
    7 9-10
    8 10-9
    9 10-9
    10 10-9
    11 10-9
    (108-102)
    12 Duran TKO DeJesus
     
  11. McGrain

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    Yuriorkis Gamboa UD12 Orlando Salido

    I remember this being mad as ****.

    Another weight disaster for Salido but at the re-weigh - so just bull**** really, either he can't fight because his advantage is so big it's dangerous or he made the weight and can fight; even crazier, HBO weighed them in at the same poundage - 140lbs. Salido can't win the strap; only Gamboa can.

    Salido looks at sea in the first, repeatedly beaten to the punch, outswarmed at one point, hit with hard punches to head and body. Gamboa is gorgeous in the ring, stocky but fast, a deep stance but he is mobile. Max Kellerman describes him going "up the middle" and with the right, this is the case, but the left is often a hook rather than a jab. Pretty great. Explosive. Fast-handed, sometimes drops those hands - he's out-touching Salido pretty-clearly. Salido, being Salido, is not for going away though.

    Gamboa is warned for hitting on the break in the fifth. Referee looks displeased. Gamboa just steadily moving Salido onto abuse with his movement. This is also a round that while clearly losing it, Salido scored with meaningful punches for the first time. Salido is probably a little determined to land the uppercut though. Not sure that's happening quite yet.

    Salido is applying significant pressure though, attempting to wear him, looking to tire him, while deploying a consistent attack that is meeting with some success. He lost the sixth though - clearly outlanded and by better punches. Gamboa landed a punch after the seventh - Salido landed one right on the bell I think. Arguably should have been a point off.

    Clearly this irritated Gamboa this exchange after/on the bell, he comes for Salido bigtime at bell, lacerating him with Gamboa trademark hooks with both hands but this is Salido, not the weak opposition Gamboa has been dusting. When he comes again, Salido lashes him to the canvas with a hard overhand right to bag his first round of the fight. Salido outlands Gamboa to win the ninth, too - Salido looks tired but Gamboa looks pretty discouraged in fact. I gave Gamboa an arguable tenth and he took the eleventh clean; he batters Salido in fact. It was an interesting little spell that. Gamboa looked nothing so much as pissed off with the pressure Salido was bringing, like he didn't like the fact that Salido hadn't gone away. A hard punch he landed in the tenth seemed to turn him back on.

    In the twelfth, Gamboa landed a good overhand right and flashed Salido for a KD; later, as he drove Salido along the ropes, he appeared to score another KD on Salido but also landed a shot to the back of the head clearly after Salido was down. Cortez didn't count, but took two points from Gamboa for landing the punch while he was down.

    Good, weird fight, too one-sided to be thrilling.

    Gamboa:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11, 12^ **.
    Salido:8*,9,.

    114-109

    *Gamboa down
    ^ Salido down
    **Gamboa has two points deducted for hitting Salido when he is down.

    Official: 116-109, 114-109, 115-109.
     
  12. scartissue

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    Here is how I had it. A bit closer but Duran in charge.

    Roberto Duran v Esteban Dejesus III

    Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Duran
    Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
    Round 6: 10-9 Duran
    Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
    Round 8: 10-9 Duran
    Round 9: 10-9 Duran
    Round 10: 10-9 Duran
    Round 11: 10-9 Duran
    Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran

    Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive.
     
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    Yuriorkis Gamboa TD 8 Daniel Ponce de Leon

    Daniel Ponce de Leon, good dig, fresh off a 130lb defeat to Broner but still ranked #5 at 126lbs. Good puncher, tough man, and he has a very good first round, southpaw jab is nice, has Gamboa hopping a bit although the Cuban settles into the round. Gamboa is definitely paying this guy the proper respect, he's leading with the jab often and countering with the bombs more than leading with them, though that's a gorgeous feint with the left and overhand right to drive Ponce back then crowd him. You can just see Gamboa has made up his mind how to fight this fight and that it'sg going to work. Now it's up to Ponce to change the record - he wants to do it with a trailing left - it's really not working. That punch has so far to travel against an athletic reactions based fighter and he's just missing, missing. Pattern set, it will be interesting if Ponce can do anything to break it.

    He makes a reasonable effort, but not really. In the fifth and sixth his glove-high pressure makes Gamboa uncomfortable and he lands enough to make a case for taking both rounds but Gamboa's tendency to land the more eye-catching stuff makes it tough. Both Salido and Ponce found spells where they were able to reveal Gamboa's vulnerability to a fighter with real guts and great temperament (Gamboa's other great weakness) but it's not generally enough to overcome that beautiful offence.

    In the eighth a bad and clearly accidental clash of heads brought an end to proceedings. It was a nasty cut.

    Gamboa:2,3,4,5,7,8.
    Ponce:1,6.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    I was at the Barclay Center for that fight.I thought it pretty close and gave it to Frampton but didn't score it.Later, back in Manhattan I ran into a couple of Northerners in an Irish Bar one of them thought Santa Cruz won it clearly.
     
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  15. scartissue

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    Here's one that you just need to watch for the fun of it. The 1977 featherweight title fight between Danny Lopez and Jose Torres. What a great fight. Check it out - 10 point must.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-8 Torres (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-7 Lopez (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Lopez (should have been 10-8 but ref disallowed an obvious knockdown at the end of the round)
    Round 7: 10-9 Lopez (bell rang prematurely and the ref had to call them both back in for the last :45 seconds)
    Bout stopped between rounds on corner retirement - Lopez the winner

    Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-63 Lopez

    You may wish to dispense with pen in hand and just enjoy this fight.