Who is the better knockout artist, Deontay Wilder or Artur Beterbiev? (regardless of weight class)

After he spent months training and exercising and cutting weight for his pro debut, he got down to 185 for the weigh in.

You claimed that was his "walking around weight." It took him months to get there.

Because he's a heavyweight.

 

Your comparing Beterbiev with small heavys that are much bigger than him

 

Ok, I'll bite.

So...Beterbiev is a weight bully.

Who did he significantly outweigh and outsize on the scales and on fight night?

Gvozdyk?

Kalidjzdic?

Callum Smith?

Alexander Johnson?

Campillo?

Prieto?

Tavoris Cloud?

Tell me in which fights Beterbiev has been a heavyweight and fighting against much smaller men and outweighing them by 20lbs or more?

 

He got down to 185lbs for the weigh-in?

Pretty sure he has weighed 175lbs all his career?

 

How were Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson and Earnie Shavers MUCH BIGGER?

Like Beterbiev. They all fought at heavyweight in the amateurs. They all weighed 200 pounds or less at the time. Frazier won gold. Tyson lost in the Box-offs. Shavers was the National AAU champ.

They're all his height and frame.

And they all went for the heavyweight title, regardless of how much they had to give up to opponents to win it.

Since the creation of the cruiserweight division, some top heavyweight amateurs have decided to go that route and go for an easier cruiserweight belt, even though it's less money, less status.

Beterbiev is the only heavyweight WEIGHT BULLY, since cruiserweight was invented in 1980, to drain all the way down to try to pick up a 175 belt. He couldn't keep his weigh below 179 for more than a day as far back as 2010. But he found loophole as a pro. Just needed to make weight for a couple minutes on stage. Not that he could ever fight at that actual weight.

I'm not praising him for managing to knock out 15 light heavys ... and overlooking, Wilder, who has been giving up weight to basically everyone and still knocking out 41 heavyweights.

That would be ludicrous.

 

See his weight for his pro debut ... and laugh some more.

And, again, he hasn't been able to weigh even 179 POUNDS for more than a day for more than a decade. They weigh you every day during amateur tournaments. All he had to do was stay below 179 for a couple days while the tournament was going on. And he couldn't do it. Now he has a loophole.

Weight bullies find those.

 

You're an idiot.

No it didn't. As an amateur, when he didn't have full training camps for every single fight he had, he was STILL 185lbs. Therefore he's not a heavyweight, nor does he need to go through a full training camp to be 185lbs.

Okay, let's say Walk Around weight was a poor choice of words (it wasn't, I'm just throwing you a bone), Beterbiev is 185lbs on fight night. That is by no means a HW. It's what the average LHW rehydrates to.

 

Man I'm bored.

It's like talking to my 10 month old son telling him not to eat sh*t off the floor.

 

You guys seriously don't know what a weight bully is, do you? (LOL)

Here are the basics:

1. You have two athletes.

2. The first is a naturally bigger, physically stronger athlete (lets say Beterbiev, the former #1 amateur heavyweight in the whole wide world) who starts big, dries out and drops as much weight as he can without passing out, then loads back up in the 30 hours after the weigh-in to reclaim as much as of the physical advantages he began with. (A weight bully is usually easy to spot because he may be even bigger the day after the fight than he was on fight day, since he lost so much to make weight and he's still putting it back on.)

The second, say a Gabriel Campillo, is an athlete who began his career in a lighter division, who may have gradually moved up or whose natural weight is closer to the weight he's fighting in. While he may have dropped some pounds to make weight himself, this is his natural fighting weight. So, if it's a gruelling bout, the second boxer may actually weigh less the day after the fight than he did on fight day. Because he was fighting at his best weight, and he burned calories during the fight.

(For example, Ray Leonard was known to have lost anywhere from 10 to 15 pounds during his fights with Hearns and Duran while he was the welterweight champ because he burned so many calories during the fights and his natural fighting weight was 147).

Being a weight bully is not about weighing 20 pounds more (although that's essentially what happened in some fights - like Gatti-Gamache). It's about naturally bigger people not fighting their peers but instead looking for easier marks in lighter divisions.

So, now that you know that ... which one of those opponents of Beterbiev's that you listed began their careeers as the #1 amateur heavyweight in the world, like Beterbiev was?

Which one of them competed in the same division as amateurs as Tyson, Frazier, Shavers, Wilder, Mercer, Morrison, etc. ... you know, like Beterbiev did?

 

You know what, you go out of your way to get personal on this board.

I don't insult you. If you want to have a discussion with me, then don't insult me.

 

What did Beterbiev rehydrate to when he weighed in the 180s for pro fights? 195? 200? 205? Feel free to post it.

What did Holyfield weigh for Tillis? 202?

What did Holyfield weigh for Dokes? 207?

What did Holyfield weigh for Buster Douglas and Foreman? 208?

And Evander didn't even fight at heavyweight in the amateurs. He was a light heavy in the amateurs - the division Beterbiev OUTGREW.

Evander Holyfield = not a weight bully
Deontay Wilder = not a weight bully
Artur Beterbiev = the ULTIMATE weight bully

 

I think you're forgetting guys like Ward, Canelo etc in that calculation.

 

Sorry. There was no need.

Nothing. He didn't drain any water to begin with.

 

Dubblechin, just stop dude, every post you write you sink lower and lower lol. You keep mentioning Tyson and Fraser were the same HEIGHT as Beterbiev, as if that is the only factor. Beterbiev was shorter than 3 of his last 4 opponents, are they weight bullies? You're so clueless it hurts my head.

 

It is not about height.

Beterbiev wasn't taller when he was the #1 amateur heavyweight in the world.

If Beterbiev is a better knockout artist than Wilder, who was never the #1 amateur heavyweight in the world like Beterbiev was, then Beterbiev should be fighting and knocking out heavyweights.

Height didn't stop Frazier or Tyson from becoming champ. Height didn't stop Shavers from flattening Holmes and knocking out Norton in a round. Height didn't stop Marciano or Patterson or Charles or even Roy Jones from winning heavyweight belts. And none of them except Frazier were ever the top amateur heavyweight, like Beterbiev was.

Some fighters trust they are the best. Some guys believe they have the power or the skills to overcome disadvantages at heavyweight.

Beterbiev clearly doesn't believe he has the power or skills.