Do People Actually Accept The Reality That Pac Walked Away From Mayweather...?

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  1. NoNeck

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    No. Pacquiao had TUE city up and running already. Celestone is a potent PED.
     
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  2. NoNeck

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    Show me the fights from 140-154 that happened between an Arum fighter and an unaffiliated fighter in the last 15 years.
     
  3. Man_Machine

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    Do you have a source for the scientific papers, which would support a description of Celestone as a "potent PED".
     
  4. NoNeck

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    I am a doctor. I know what it does. Drummer Boy Molina was caught with dexamerhasone, which is almost the same thing, and will never box again in the U.K. as a result.
     
  5. Bokaj

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    Not according to WADA, apparently.
     
  6. Man_Machine

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    As a doctor, you are better placed than most to point me towards the scientific research then. There surely must be some.
     
  7. Man_Machine

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    Celestone is a brand name.

    It is classified under a broader group of Glucocorticoids - namely Betamethasone
     
  8. NoNeck

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    You apparently have no clue what you're talking about.
     
  9. Bokaj

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    Nothing much constructive coming out of you. Only the usual fanboy stuff.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    Glucorticosteroids inhibit inflammation in a way that NSAIDs cannot. In other words, recovery during training will be much faster because muscle soreness will be significantly reduced. Pacquiao took it so he could increase the likelihood of having a normal camp with the chronic shoulder injury that he'd been competing with for years. That is not to say that the rest of his body did not also benefit since he took it orally.

    This is covered in depth in any school for almost any high level healthcare profession. You can go on Pubmed and search for it. If you can't find references to betamethasone, then use the term "glucocorticosteroid" or "glucocorticoid" in the search line instead and something about athletic performance or recovery.
     
  11. Bokaj

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    Ok. This is what I found about that:

    "Their use is banned in sport except for topical use (not including rectal use), intra-articular or local injection, or inhalation. A medical prescription must be produced before the competition to document the treatment."

    https://watermark.silverchair.com/2...7eHVkGEofa2MIx25h0MbV6u3q0Si1cjcmwNT01ee2CpM5
     
  12. Bokaj

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    Pac taking that as a treatment for his injury (even though it could have other beneficial) effects does not equal Floyd using an IV to hide doping.

    Also think it was weak call not to let Pac use a legal painkiller.

    All this seriously taing the fight and the outcome. Too much imo.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    Mayweather's PEDs only exist in the imagination of you and several other cretins in this thread.

    Devil's Advocate: If Mayweather were masking something, it most likely was a diuretic and not an actual PED.
     
  14. CharlesBurley

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    1. There's a big stretch from using an IV drip to using it to hide doping. I tend to think the Mayweather's aren't smart enough to calculate how much over a drug reading they are and then use the correct amount of water into the blood to balance it out to get a legit reading. Otherwise why just not fight without random drugs testing? And then use as much drugs as you want.

    2. Getting a TUE is a way to circumvent drugs testing. So Manny getting a TUE is slightly suspect.

    3. Any athlete can microdope without being detected by tests anyway.
     
  15. Bokaj

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    Ok, so we've come there now. Well, you have good one. I'm done with you.
     
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