Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

In terms of skillset I consider Gomez a more skilled boxer than Moorer. Gomez was 38 against Wilson and he avenged the defeat. He was also a cruser champ who at HW beat European champions Vyrchys and Sam and ex champ McCall. He beat Vyrchys as an eliminator for his title shot. I think that's as good as Schulz and Botha

Also Bean took Moorer to a majority decision and took rounds off Holyfield. Vitali stopped him in 11 rounds.

 

With the above in mind - When you consider what Lewis did to a prime Briggs and that Foreman - when approaching 49 years old - should have been given the nod against the same, any talk of a prime Holyfield being in some kind of danger against Vitali, becomes rather suspect.

 

Haye and Valuev ran out of a match with Vitali.

 

And four losses almost back to back after that, twat.

Briggs was ranked top 10 by the WBC, and was a former world lineal heavyweight champion ... Are you really trying to big up the bum version of Thomas that Tyson beat down?

The only thing that is hilarious is the fact that you listed Thomas as an amazing win on Tyson's resume and calling Briggs all kinds of things when IN FACT BRIGGS WAS BETTER and HAD BEATEN BETTER FIGHTERS prior to fighting Vitali. So even assuming that you're right about wheezing geriatric Briggs, you've made a total ****ing fool out of yourself in the process. Let's not forget that this was not some prime version of Klitscko, but the OLD version that came back to beat ass after a hiatus.

We're literally comparing the opponents of PRIME Tyson to the opponents of OLD Vitali ... and VITALI LOOKS BETTER

That's what I think of you when I read your confused ramblings. How do you feel being shown up like this? Embarrassed? Maybe you want to defend Thomas' great wins prior to the Tyson bout? Explain how Maldonado was better than Rob Calloway?

Begging for mercy already? You're a bigger bum than the guys Thomas beat after Berbick.

For a joke you seem to be wound up by me.

Maybe you ought to have thought about what you were posting, before posting it. It's ok. Admit your mistake and we can move on.

 

Yet Adamek is pretty much the same size as Holyfield. I take you don't give Holyfield a chance either based on them looking 5 weight classes apart

 

Well Vitlai won all his fights except with injury when he ws ahead.

Douglas was fat with zero motivation.
Cooper floored and had him hurt!
Moorer beat him 1-1 vs Moorer./
Ruiz should be 2-0-1 vs Holyfield!

Suddenly Vitali's performance look much better huh. Aside from the one fight with Bowe, which I'm not even sure he won, why does Holyfield have so many shaky performances?!

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...snowski-and-not-povetkin.226806/#post-6847580

 

As a pro, yea Ortiz was better, but as amateurs Solis was better with the stronger pedigree

 

Valeuv said there was too many demands in the contract.

 

No way, Gomez got stopped by novice Yanki Diaz(10-1) at heavyweight. What is his best win? 40 year old Mc Call and Gomez struggled in that. Vyrchis, I have never even heard of him. Sam is European Class. Come on, stop hyping Vitali's opponents

 

As an amateur Gonzalez was better than Solis. As a pro he was big and heavy handed. Bowe destroyed him. Vitali looked silly at times against Gomez and held a lot which was uncommon for him.

 

Not really... Adamek spent 8 years at light heavy... Holyfield could never have fought at 175 , too big.

 

THE BLADE 2

1)Again Irrelevant for the purpose of this thread as we are not putting that version of Holyfield against Vitali.As for the first fight against Ruiz, it was a close fight and I thought Holyfield won by about point.It is a fight that could have gone either way, no robbery,The third fight with Ruiz, I thought Holyfield definitely won.

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2) Irrelevant for the purpose of this thread.Vitali and Holyfield might have been on Peds or not, we can’t prove it.The thread is just about matching the best versions of Vitali against Holyfield.That is it.

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3) The fight against Donald is irrelevant as Holyfield was largely past his prime.The fight against Bean, both Vitali and Holyfield won without controversy.Vitali was more dominant but what does it prove ?Bean does not fight like Vitali.So again, your point has very little relevance if at all.

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4)Holyfield’ s record is 1-3-1.My guess is Vitali would do worse.His only chance would be against Bowe III.I still would slightly favour Bowe in that one as Vitali lost against a faded Lewis albeit in a valuable effort.But I could be wrong of course.

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5) you agree for once

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6) The argument goes both sides.If we are not talking could, Holyfield has a draw against Lewis for a fact.

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7) Again Holyfield was past prime against Toney.So irrelevant.Vittali would beat that version of Holyfield, no doubt.But it is not subject matter of the thread.And do not forget VitalI lost in his prime against another slickster in Byrd although under mitigating conditions.

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8) You question was how Moorer was ranked and I answered that question.

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9) He was somewhat dirty but why do you bring up this point.Do you think Vitali would not be able to deal with it?

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10) Foreman and Holmes were still good wins compared to Vitali’s record.Do not forget that Larry just beat Mercer.As I said VItali is not quite one Lewis level.I am also not saying Vitali would be an easy fight for prime Holyfield.I just think prime Evander would win a UD (2-4 points margin

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Original 10 questions for those who want to answer Yes or No.

1 ) Do you think Holyfield beat Ruiz in the first fight? I say Holy should be 0-2-1...vs Ruiz.

2 ) Do think PED's had anything to do with his trasformation in body tyes from 190 to 210-220?

3 ) Do you agree Holyfield performed worse vs common opponents that Vitali fought?

4 ) Holyfield is 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe on fair cards. Don't you think Vitali could at least o this well?

5 ) How past it was Mike Tyson? The 1980's version vs. the 1996 version Holyfield beat?

6 ) Can you admit the draw with Lennox Lewis was absolute bogus?

7 ) How much does getting Ko'd by a 5'10" non punching blown up middleweight at age 40 factor into this debate? Toney was in his mid 30's and fat.

8 ) Where would you rank Moorer, in the top 50 if he's even there. He's 1-1 vs Holyfield.

9 ) Do you agree that Holyfield was a dirty fighter?

10 ) Do you agree that Holyfield had trouble with bigger men in shape with skills?

 

Solis won Olympic gold. Vitali had an easy time vs Gomez overall.

 

Gun to my head, Vitali. Holyfield is too small.