Jack Sharkey vs Johnny_B

I'm glad you atleast concede Marciano and Louis knock you out.

 

But he didn't. Foreman knocked him out.

Since when is going the distance someone we use to propel a fighters ability.

 

You choose to ignore the circumstances and you just look at the result, which doesn't tell the whole story. Moorer was the dominant boxer that night, not Foreman.

I'm not propelling his ability, I'm simply pointing out he wasn't the relic you speak of. In many ways, he was better than he was in the 70's.
Plus Foreman didn't last the distance by running all night, he stayed to trade and went toe to toe.

 

A prime Louis, Marciano, Charles and Walcott would get some wins. Especially Louis and Marciano. You named some of the top ten fighters ever. So I’d imagine some of the lesser guys would struggle as would anyone. But do you really think Charles and Walcott couldn’t hang with Quarry? Moorer? Tua? Byrd? Norton?Douglad? Or other contenders/champs?

 

Not against the guys I mentioned, I don't see that. Who are they gonna beat ?!?

They could hang with some of them, but they'd loss more than they'd win.

 

Damn, I never thought of watching the footage of Jack Sharkey

 

Joe Louis and Marciano COULD beat anyone on that list. Is it likely? No. No one is likely to or can run the gauntlet on that list. Much of it depends on styles. Only guy I see that couldn’t be beat would maybe be a prime Lewis and even then he was knocked out in prime by lesser fighters then Marciano and Louis so they even have a shot there.

 

Doesn't matter how dominant you are if you finish the fight on your back.

In fact that's probably how you see you vs Sharkey lol. He'd outbox you until you landed that hail Mary shot lol.

 

I don't have any heavyweights, most of my fighters are between 120-40. I've always thought Sharkey was one of the two best heavyweights of the 30s and as good as most pre-1960 heavyweights.

There was a gym in a college town about 2 hours from DC where the trainer was supposed to be exceptionally good but he didn't take his fighters to competitions. Other trainers would send their fighters to him for training and sparring. I never met the guy but was told he just didn't like the business of boxing, amateur or pro. Reputable trainers told me that the guy had good fighters who just had never competed in sanctioned fights.

 

Do you not feel though, that there are lots of fundamentals that get taught, but great fighters can get away without using them.

I mean take Naz for instance, he had to be one of the worst aesthetic boxers of the modern era, I doubt there's much you would use from his fights to teach anyone, yet he's one of the most successful in history.

Greats that are filmed, are greats, so what they did clearly worked for them, whether they employed techniques you would teach or not.

 

@Pat M if a fighter like Jack Sharkey, or Deontay Wilder asked you to train him, already fighting at the top level doing a bunch of weird **** and flawed footwork, would you just try a do a few minor tweaks, or would you try and rebuild his entire technique, and hope you could get him fighting a the top level a totally different way than they were used to?

 

I disagree. Ali started clowning a bit against Cooper and ended up flat on his back. Assuming the punch didn't come at the end of the round, he'd most likely loose that match by KO, he was dizzy as hell. Now, if that happens, would that make Cooper the better boxer ?!
Of course not.

I'd be the one outboxing him. I'm faster and stronger.

 

Of course they have a punchers chance, but that's about it.