Why did Holyfield struggle against lesser fighters

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  1. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ruiz is underrated because he isn't flashy tbh. He's definitely better than Mercer, ancient Foreman and ancient Holmes. He's also the reason we didn't get Holyfield-Tyson 3.

    He put his jab or hook in your face constantly throughout every second of the fight. His workrate and foundamentals is immense at HW. And it threw loads of boxers of their gameplans. The laymen don't like it but he's constantly scoring punches minute on minute of each round.

    Any version of Holyfield might well have a problem with the pressure jabber. Obvious the younger versions does better in a high workrate bout. Because young Holyfield obviously has more stamina
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He loses to them all I'm afraid.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Vitali Record in Title Fights: 15-2, 12 KO. What's Holyfield's

    Current/Former Lineal World Champions Faced: Lennox Lewis TKO by 6; Shannon Briggs UD12 1-1. What's Holyfield's?

    Current/Former Alphabet Titlists Faced: Herbie Hide KO2; Chris Byrd RTD by 9; Orlin Norris KO1; Corrie Sanders TKO8; Sam Peter RTD8; Juan Carlos Gomez TKO9; Tomasz Adamek TKO10

    Record Against Current/Former Champions/Titlists Faced: 7-2, 6 KO. What's Holyfield's?
     
  4. CharlesBurley

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    LOL, no he doesn't. He'd easily outpoint Foreman and Mercer.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    He didn't easily out point anyone
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    LOL. Foreman would absolutely obliterate Ruiz. Destroy him. Watch Ruiz pathetically flop to the canvas after tasting a Golota right hand. Wacth him get out boxed clearly. Watch him get brutalized by Tua.. Watch him try and grope , hug and maul his opponents to a points victory.

    Watch him lose to a light heavy when those mugging tactics are taken away from him. .The style of Ruiz - hugging and holding - is made for old Foreman.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    Yes, you can if you want. A very close fight.

    See, I admit when very close fights can go either way.
    You just rant about Holyfield getting "BS gifts".
    Your biased agenda is very clear.

    He won the fights clearly.
    You can criticize his performances if you want ....... but those were still clear wins.

    Tyson bit him, looked like Tyson was quitting, panicked looking for a way out.

    Anyway, he smacked the crap out of Tyson in the 1st fight, when he was a huge underdog.

    Why the hell would you consider the losses to Toney and Donald as relevant to his ability ?
    He was almost 41 years old against Toney.
    He was already 42 against Donald.

    It's like judging Ali's ability from the Berbick fight.

    I scored it for Lewis, so I'm not even arguing. It was a close one though.

    No, I don't have score cards at hand.
    The Ruiz fights are dull and I'm not going to re-score the fight right now. The Holyfield-Ruiz fight was very very close.

    Of course he performed at the highest level.

    He was clearly out of his prime against Bowe in 1995.
    He was on the decline in the 2nd fight but fought a great fight and nicked the decision.
    He was prime in the 1st fight.

    No one at the time doubted that.
    So what's your point ?
     
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  8. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ruiz easily beat Holyfield, Rahman and Golota.
     
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  9. CharlesBurley

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    Foreman in his comeback was very easy to outbox. Ruiz would outbox and outwork him. Ruiz easily outworked and outboxed Golota, wasn't close.

    Honestly man Foreman was dog**** in his comeback
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    Which lineal champs did Holy face? Douglas, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Moorer, Tyson, Lewis, Rahman. I think that's it.

    So he went 8-5 beating everyone he faced in that group bar Lewis.

    Alphabet titlilsts on top of those mentioned, who is it? Thomas, Dokes, Mercer, Ruiz, Byrd, Ibragimov, Valuev, plus the CW guys you allow so that's Qawi, Parkey, Ocasio, DeLeon, Czyz

    18-9-1

    With most losses coming after the age of 35.

    You've really done a good job on highlighting the strength of Holyfields resume.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Watch the fights then come back and make that claim.

    I'm fact, don't put yourself through that. Just take my word for it he didn't easily outbox any of those.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    So know Vitali has a better record that a guy who had a top 3 P4P level resume ??:cbiggrin:
     
  13. Man_Machine

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    What I quote from your previous post above is the only section of that interview that mentions Lewis and I can tell you now that it is utter bollox.
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

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    To say he was dog **** **** would be completely inaccurate. Was he what he used to be? No. But he gave a prime Holyfield all he can handle and honestly probably would have knocked him out in the 4 round if he had went all out.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Vitali Klitschko's title record is a joke !

    Albert Sosnowski, Manuel Charr, Danny Williams, Kevin Johnson, a 40 year old Shannon Briggs .......
    ,,,,,, I mean, c'mon, we all know Briggs at age 26 needed a bit of a gift to beat a 47 year old Foreman ! Even in his prime he wasn't much good, see. ....... and Vitali defends against an old shot version !
    When guys like Adamek and Arreola are among the BEST of his challengers, you know that's a real bum club.