Manny Pacquiao or Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all time?

You conveniently left out that Marquez had enough steroids and PEDs in him to power the entire NFL.

 

And your evidence is what? And please don't talk about the back acne, I need some actual proof.

It's funny that Pacquiao fans have an excuse for every loss and claim all his opponents were abusing Peds but ignore the suspicious moments in his career.

 

RJJr resume is a way behind against Pacquiao.

 

Stop being ignorant

 

Yeah. But we're talking Roy and Manny.

I think Manny could be rated higher, but I don't see how he runs away with it.

Roy was more dominant in his prime.

 

Pac has had the better career.

Jones pound for pound and prime for prime was a better boxer.

 

Well yes, but the rematches shouldn't be held against him because Ali and SRR both rank higher than RJJ. It's non issue.

 

I'm just noting that Roy was more dominant and that's one factor to consider along with many others.

 

This pretty much sums it up

 

Pac wasn't caught trying to hide Angel Heredia, a convicted PED distributer. He also wasn't caught with enough IVs to make Lance Armstrong proud.

The difference is that the former have some circumstantial proofs, very strong ones. One was essentially caught with the prostitute, the other was caught in a brothel, both weren't caught with their D inside the prostitute, but pretty dam strong evidence. Pac's is he says/she says b.s, remember that Email? What happened to it, non-existent!

 

I don't get why you even replied to my post if you just admitted there's reason to believe Pac was on stuff.

You bring up Angel Heredia yet ignore Alex Ariza being in Pacquiao's camp.

Pacquiao fans never have a good explanation for how he has remained explosive and athletic throwing hundreds of punches per fight well into his 40's and out working boxers 10 years younger than him. He just "works really hard" and is the glaring exception despite the fact 99.9% of boxers don't look like that at 35, let alone 40? The fact he's been fighting since he was a teenager and has tons of wear and tear from all the wars and intense training camps makes it even more suspicious. He's an aggressive volume puncher/counter puncher who relies on his powerful legs and speed to get in and out and overwhelm opponents. Again, 99% of fighters with styles like that slow down and aren't as effective waaay before 40 and certainly aren't still champions and in the p4p rankings nearly 2 decades after their debut. The legs are said to be the first thing to go yet they are some of Pacquiao's strongest attributes at middle age???

There are so many glaring oddities about Pacquiao but nobody says anything because he's so popular and liked. Like you said, Pacquiao was never caught in the act with the prostitute but he was seen at the brothel with a used condom in his suit case. It makes no sense to go after other boxers and point fingers given all the red flags in his career.

 

You dont rank someone with what ifs.

5 weight lineal, 8 weight champion + longevity.

 

How are they what ifs?

Look what Roy also achieved.

 

He ABSOLUTELY schooled Toney.

BHop not as much.

Clear win, though.

 

Yeah, he was a zero-time lineal champion. If you add just one number 1 to that, on the left side, then that's ten-times, which is like twice what Pacquiao did.