Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard

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  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    kinda like he was stuttering in the ring with Mosley only to turn around and whoop Mosleys a$$? Don’t have to b a great speaker to be a great fighter outside of cheating vs Cotto who did Margarito beat exactly??
     
  2. Loudon

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    Even if it was his 4th weight class, beating Baldomir and Judah isn’t greater than what Ray did.

    Ray didn’t have controversy in all of his biggest fights.

    So what if Ray was losing to Hearns in the first fight before the knockout? Hearns was a freak of nature. The stoppage wasn’t a miracle. Ray didn’t get lucky. He changed his tactics and turned the boxing match into a shootout. He deserves huge credit for that.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    You’re kidding yourself.

    The $40m flat fee offer was another obstacle he put up, after Manny had agreed to his 14 day cut off, which for some reason was taken off the table and couldn’t be put back there.

    You nearly always finish your posts with the last sentence that you have typed above. Yet the facts are, in 2012, Manny agreed to all of Floyd’s testing demands and backed up his claims by carrying it out against Rios, yet the fight still didn’t happen until May, 2015.

    Anybody who seriously believes that the drug testing issue is what prevented the fight from happening earlier is an absolute fool.
     
  4. Loudon

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    It’s very subjective and difficult ranking guys, and it’s even harder when they’re from different eras and different weight classes.

    Who are your 10 WW’s that you rate higher than Leonard.
     
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    All great fighters, but I couldn’t rate a guy like Tito above him, either on resume or ability.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Yes, he had more defences. But you know that I personally never just compare numbers.

    Ray fought the better opposition.

    He fought Duran x 2, Benitez and Hearns.

    They were a better group of fighters than Carr, Whitaker, Camacho and Oscar.

    Whittaker is an ATG in my opinion, but he was faded in 1999 when he fought Tito.

    IMHO, Tito never beat Oscar.

    This is how I see it:

    Although Tito had more wins and a longer reign, he doesn’t have any wins that compare to Ray’s wins over Hearns, Duran and Benitez, nor was he as good as Ray in terms of ability.

    Therefore, IMHO, he can’t be ranked higher.
     
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  7. C.J.

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    He didnt cheat against Cotto Tony beat his ass LEGITIMATELY I witnessed his hands taped as I have done many times before. Ive never seen any impropiety. Tony didn't need to cheat to win.
    Ask Pac how hard he hit him, yes Tony lost the fight but he put Pac in hospital with damaged ribs.
    Or are you going to say he had loaded gloves there as well ROFLMAO!!
    Did Mayweather literally **** himself when Mosely got in ring?? He did when Margarito stood in front of him he was TERRIFIED!!!!!!
    When Mosely faced Marg he was juiced to the gills. Tony was sick & hadnt trained properly & should have backed out of fight. Then he was faced with the Lies of Richardson & the CSAC acting like the Keystone Kops. Richardson had a reputation for complaining about opponents wraps & demanding they be removed. Tony never had a chance maybe he should have refused to have them removed like Freddie & Pac did when Robert Carcia complained about Pac's wraps against Margarito maybe thats what caused Tony's serious eye injuries
    When Mosely did meet Mayweather he had to be clean & he gassed after 3 rounds yet Floyd still couldnt put him away ROFL
    I still say that a 100% Margarito would kick Floyd's ass & Floyd knew it so did Oscar they both avoided him
     
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  8. acie2g

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    If Mayweather was ducking Manny how do you explain the cut that wouldn’t heal? Or being able to fight Marquez in May but not being able to fight Floyd until June? How do you explain the stadium that needed to be built?

    in 2009 Manny got top billing, 10mil per lb over 147, 50/50 split and walked over testing that had originally been agreed to once he’s demands where met.
    After going through full testing Manny lied to the public for a year saying he agreed only to have agreed to the cut off that was no longer there that he refused to take years earlier.
    In 2012 after robbing Marquez Manny was called out by Mayweather who had a jail sentence pushed back to attempt the fight, only for Manny to make multiple excuses before settling on money which stooges like you grasp on to now ignoring that in 2009 both fighter would have got 25mil and Manny was offer 40mil.
    After turning down Mayweather again Manny got knocked out by Marquez and had to build back up, and even then it took Mayweather running up on Manny directly at a basketball game on live tv challenging him for Manny to go to his team and make the fight.

    All this is documented fact not emotion you clinging onto emotion on why you think something happened living in an illusion because you don’t want to accept the truth.
     
  9. Loudon

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    You’re absolutely deluded.

    We’ve been at this so many times.

    Again, nobody did that kind of testing back then.

    Manny agreed to be tested, but wanted a cut off due to the Morales incident.

    Floyd agreed, but they couldn’t compromise on the number of days.

    In the end, Floyd said the fight could only happen if it was 14 days.

    Manny wouldn’t accept, then they went their separate ways. But in 2010, Manny went back and agreed to the 14 days. Was Floyd happy? Did he try and get Ellerbe to make the fight? No he didn’t. Why not? Apparently, that was the major stumbling block. Manny had conceded to Floyd’s demands. But nothing happened. Then Floyd wanted to pay him $40m from a fight which grossed $400m.

    In 2012, Manny then agreed to everything. OSDT up until the day of the fight. Which was what Floyd had wanted from the outset. Did Floyd or Ellerbe even make an enquiry to see if Many was legit? No. Manny then backed up his claims by partaking in OSDT with Rios. Yet the fight still didn’t happen until May, 2015.

    Floyd Snr and Uncle Roger had Floyd spooked. You can clearly see that by watching any interview from the time. He was aggressive and defensive and completely on edge.

    Floyd didn’t have the confidence to face Manny back then. Although he’s one of the greatest fighters of all time, he’s always had a mental weakness. Which is why he pulled all of that other BS throughout the years.

    If you seriously think that Floyd made that fight by walking up to Manny at a basketball game, then you must be the WWE’s biggest fan.

    Then when the fight did finally happen, it turns out that the guy who’d slandered and racially abused Manny for years, had taken PEDS himself.

    Ha! You couldn’t make it up.