Manny Pacquiao or Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all time?

And?

Did he not beat better fighters than some of the lineal champs?

 

Not really, no.

 

Why not?

 

I don't know why they aren't better, man. Genes? Work ethic? Gotta ask them.

 

It’s pointless taking this any further.

Roy beat better guys than some of the lineal champs who he missed.

 

You can't even name the better guys and the dudes who was lineal at the times? Man, I thought you actually had a comparison in mind! Why bother if you didn't, bro? I mean, nothin but love and ish but damn.

 

Ha!

What are you talking about?

YOU are the guy who wants to punish Roy’s resume by stating that he didn’t beat a lineal champ.

I then asked you if he didn’t beat better guys than a lineal champ that he missed?

You then said: Not really, no.

So if you don’t know who I’m referring to, then why did you say it?

 

I know the fighters they fought and who were lineal at the times, but I can't read your mind to see which specific comparisons you think you're making and why. I am a very stable genius, but you're starting to try my patience, Loudon, if you now have a standard for me that I should know which specific fighters you're thinking about who fit the listed criteria without you even naming them. "Roy beat better guys than some of the lineal champs who he missed." Right, so you said "some of" but not who. I am not a mind reader, Loudon! Use your words!

 

Oh my.

Why are you being argumentative?

Again, I asked you if he didn’t beat better fighters than the guys he missed?

You said ‘no’

Fine.

Tell me why then.

Dariusz was the lineal champ at LHW.

Dariusz was no better than Toney or Tarver in my opinion.

Either debate me or move along.

 

Me? You were the one who didn't say, and you were the one with a reply to me and a case to make or break your own damn self.

"Dariusz was no better than Toney or Tarver in my opinion."

What the fudge? What? Based on what? YOU tell ME, since YOU were replying to ME with this agenda.

 

Are you trolling me or are you drug induced?

WTF?

This is your last chance.

In your opinion, do you think that Roy beat better fighters than the lineal champs who he didn’t fight?

Yes or no?

If no, then tell me why you think that.

You are the one who originally disagreed with me. Yet you haven’t backed up your opinion.

I’m not going to have a back and forth with you.

Answer my question, or don’t bother replying.

 

I don't troll anyone! I have a life outside this forum...unlike *some people.*
MY last chance? I was the one who originally disagreed? You were the one who replied to me first! Go look back and see for yourself! Now you have an ultimatum for me? I already said no. Are you even reading this conversation to yourself or are you the one trolling me? You back up your own disagreement. God! Toney wasn't even a LHW titlist or a LHW when Roy fought him. You don't seem to understand anything, Loudon. You've really got to have followed these guys and their careers before commenting and getting into arguments, man. Roy fought Toney for SMW title. DM was the lineal LHW champion when Roy wasn't fighting him and at LHW? Gotta certainly say if that was even the discussion, he's clearly a more impressive LHW than James Toney was there. I thought everyone knew that...

 

What on earth are you talking about?

Reread the thread.

You pointed out that Roy didn’t beat any lineal champs and that Manny did.

I responded by basically saying ‘fair enough, you’re right. Roy didn’t beat any lineal champs. But in my opinion, he beat better fighters’

I never said anything about Toney being a LHW.

I said that in my opinion, Toney was a better fighter than Dariusz.

Yes, it’s a real shame that Roy didn’t face Dariusz at LHW, who was the lineal champ. But I think his win over Toney would have been a better win than a win over Dariusz had Roy beaten him.

You were holding it against Roy’s ranking by saying that he never beat a lineal champ. Again, I said that even though he didn’t beat a lineal champ, he beat guys who were equal or better than those guys. So it shouldn’t really affect Roy’s ranking that much that he never fought one.

 

Okay, listen. You're clearly a good guy and everything but you can't compare Toney to DM because Roy didn't beat Toney instead of DM. Where one had one title in a weight and the other had a lineal title in the same weight. They're unrelated to the question of who are the lineal guys that were better than the guys he did beat. So that just isn't the comparison at all. I want you to really watch something because I think you're going to really appreciate how this bumptourists my argument:

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This guy he fightin they call "the italian Rocky" because he had a rack like Bullwinkle and he'd butt dudes with it to try and win like a squirrel or he'd hit on em after the brakes, then he'd be like "who me? wut i do?" like Tim Duncan after a fowl. But he never do it so bad then here because even a fierce guy like that (sort of like an olden times version of Sakio Bika) was afraid of this man. Look at how precise he is.