Foreman by KO inaide of 4! Olympic winner always beat non olympic winner! Lennox and Holyfield beat Tyson and watch what Ali did to non olympic winners! Foreman has every advantage:speed,power,strenght,chin,reach,height,weight... Tyson only advantage would be his speed but it would not help him since he is smaller and came to Foreman....well you can't just came to Foreman! Tyson would get mauled and killed!
Yeah some people see Foreman's wide shots and less than polished punch technique and think he was just some crude brawler when there was a lot of method and technique behind his success. One of the reasons Ali did so well vs Foreman was because he was able to clinch well himself, he wasn't easily manhandled like other Foreman opponents up to that point. Ali often grabbed him behind the head to control him. Ali would fire off first and then clinch, tying Foreman up, not letting Foreman move him and reposition him. Foreman would extend his arms out which worked so well against smaller aggressive fighters but against Ali who could beat him to the punch from the outside and then follow up with a clinch it left Foreman the one out of position and being tied up and having his rhythm thrown off.
Foreman was 6'3 and 218lbs against Frazier. That is not big. Tyson was 5'9 -5'10 and the same weight with less body fat. He was more muscular than Foreman. Foreman was not some physical monster.
Yet in more than 70 fights across 20+ years, no opponent ever managed to outmuscle or push Foreman back. Basic observation and common sense disagrees with you. Foreman being 218 is because his trainers made him cut weight. You conveniently picked one of his lower measurements and ignored all the times he was above 220. The funniest thing about your post is that Frazier was close to the same weight as Foreman and still got rag dolled. You do realize 2 guys can weigh the same and one can be much stronger than the other? He effortlessly pushed guys back and maneuvered people how he wanted. Sometimes with one arm. This content is protected Plenty of people had no trouble manhandling, pushing back, and roughing up Tyson. In fact Holyfield said Foreman was the physically strongest opponent he faced but I guess we'll just ignore that. Stan Ward fought strong guys like Mike Weaver, Gerry Coatzee, and Ron Lyle and didn't hesitate to state Foreman was the physically strongest but I guess we can ignore that too. I can't think of a single boxing fan, poster, coach, writer, or boxer who didn't think Foreman was one of the strongest guys in the division's history. It would be like claiming Shaq wasn't that strong or that Usain Bolt wasn't that fast, it's what he's known for and the first thing that stands out.
I’ve been on here for years too and aside from a few spot fires I think I’ve been pretty balanced and polite and have struck up some great rapports with other posters. I’ve no problem with one of the posters aside from posting factually incorrect statements in this thread. The other poster is a troll who claimed my statement was “moronic” when it was easily proved that it wasn’t with a bit of basic research. I responded harshly to them because they are ill informed, lazy and condescending in manner and they have form on classic of annoying other generally reasonable posters. I think I called said poster a “clown” and said he was stupid. That is hardly vicious or hate speech in my opinion and if you think it is feel free to report me to the mods. I’ll take a ban before I censor myself. I also disagree that this forum is better now than it was 15 years ago when I first joined. A lot of great posters have fallen by the wayside because of trolls nitpicking, agenda posting and hijacking worthwhile threads. Plus the heavy handedness of certain authority figures in here have taken a lot of the fun away. Anyway I expect to see you inserting yourself into further flare ups on here to censure anyone whose posting you don’t like. A precedent has been set now. I’ll be watching closely (if I’m not banned).
It's not the size advantage that the thing that would see Foreman manhandle Tyson, it's the technique. Foreman didn't just walk up to guys and wrestle them, he used techniques that Tyson lacks. He frames his opponent, controls and directs opponents with out stretched arms and gloves. Doesn't matter how big you are if you allow a guy to push your head with his glove or Forearm, you'll be moved because where the head goes the body follows. Why do you think so many good in fighters grab, lean and push down on the head? It's the weak point that good in fighter,s who know how to clinch, utilise to control opponents. How to you think the lighter Holyfield pushed Tyson around? Was Holyfield really that much stronger? No he wasn't, what he was, was better technically on the inside and in the clinches. He used his own head to push on Tyson's chest, neck, shoulder. Foreman too has a far superior clinch and inside game and he would control Tyson via his superior technique in this area.
The guy who thinks he can beat HOFamer? The guy who think Tyson could beat Foreman? The guy I put in his place twice in recent converastions and he couldn't answer and then insult? The guy who is a member since feb. this year? He didn't even have a profile picture! The guy who thinks Marciano is a bum and he and his friends from the gym would beat him? I think that we have mental disabled person here!
Jr Gold Medalist in very poor era of amateurs! Foreman was real Olympic champ in most competitive cold war era of Soviets! Didn't Holyfield and Lewis both gold medalist beat Tyson?
Ray Mercer was also an undefeated Olympic gold medalist but still lost to a 42 yr old Holmes. Just because they're Olympic gold medalist doesn't mean they will always win against someone who isn't one.
Ray Mercer was inexperienced guy unshaped with only 19 fights who fought Holmes who was way more experienced and in shape! Later Mercer improved but not that much since he was always a punching bag! Mercer few years later would beat the **** of Holmes! Oh and wasn't Mercer only lucky man because Bowe was scheduled for Olympics and didn't he won on DQ not real fight...oh didn't he quit in Olympics against Mavrpvic and fought in weakest era? I am talking about best Olympic Winner 1920-1984! And yes Olympic winners always beat non olympics winners! Why Ali,Foreman and Frazier ruled 70s and were undefeated?All 3 were Olympic winners others weren't!Case closed! Non Olympic winner never cpuld beat Olympic winner! Again Holyfield was and Lewis was also and the rule 90s!
Holyfield and Lewis lost to Bowe, Rahman, McCall, Moore, those guys weren't Olympic winners. Foreman lost to Jimmy Young who was not an elite amateur Olympic boxer. Wladmir Klitschko won gold and lost to Ross Purrity. Floyd Patterson won gold and lost to Liston and Johanson. Your statement about Olympic boxers never losing to non Olympic boxers is completely false.
Well, i will paste what i posted on some other thread including the interview with Holyfield on Ring Mag: " Holyfield who fought against Big George (when he was 42) said that he was the hardest puncher he ever fought, also said something about being afraid of taking his mouth guard off because he felt like his whole teeth would just come off. The rest is from ring magazine: STRONGEST Foreman: Out of all the people, I would say George Foreman was the strongest. And behind him Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe. I could push anybody back, it wasn’t a problem. I couldn’t push George back. (Laughs.) You had to go around him. BEST PUNCHER Foreman: George Foreman hit the hardest." Well, Foreman was very much some kind of a physical monster. As for the Tyson match, he would knock Tyson out in a few rounds. What "usual basic boxing fans" don't understand is Tyson's boxing capabilities weren't about his power and iron chin but about his skills, technique and his style's awkwardness to some boxers. And while i remember watching Tyson's matches with my father in the middle of night fondly, he never had the heart Foreman, Holyfield or Frazier did have.
