Prime Tyson vs prime Foreman

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  1. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    Bowe was robbed Olympic champ!
    Lewis beating those two proves it was just a fluke!
    And Holyfield lost when he was really washed!
    Foreman who fought young was not prepared and was in worst shape of his life!
    Wlad lost against Ross but it was his early fight when he was green!
    Patterson?Yes he won Olympics but in which division?MW, exactly!
    Mercer and Bentt beat Morrison!
    Lewis and Holyfield beat Tyson!
    Ali and Frazier beat everyone!
    Yes Olympic champs always beat non olympic champs if they are prepared and in shape!
     
  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard was prepared and in shape and lost to Roberto Duran.

    Ali lost to Ken Norton.

    Anthony Joshua lost to Andy Ruiz.

    You are making excuses and back peddling now. Lennox lost fair and square to Mccall and Rahman. There was no robbery, he got knocked out. It doesn't matter what he did in the rematch, a loss is a loss. He was an Olympic champion, Young, and in shape. You're wrong.

    Wladmir also lost to Brewster and Sanders. Stop making excuses because you made an idiotic statement.
     
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  3. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    Sugar Ray was in bad shape and Duran might cheated with loaded gloves!
    And how many fights each one had behind them be honest?It was fluke due to Ray was unprepared and green which he proved beating Duran twice!
    Once and beat him twice then!
    Ali was way past his best and ourshaped!It was Ali after FOTC,Manila and Zaire for god sake!
    Paper champ and still beat Ruiz in revenge!
    During the 2011 World Championships in Baku, Azerbaijan, Joshua marked his sudden arrival on the world scene when he beat Italian reigning world and Olympic champion Roberto Cammarelle, and went on to stop Erik Pfeifer of Germany in the semis before losing by a single point to local boxer, Magomedrasul Majidov winning a silver medal. En route to the final, Joshua secured his place at the 2012 Olympic Games in the super-heavyweight division as a relative newcomer to the elite level of the sport.
    Nope he wasn't in shaoe even his oponents said that he was making few movies and more hung out in Vegas than training!
    He was knocked but guess what he beat both in revenge faster proving it was fluke!
     
  4. Abysswalker

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    While i agree that Bowe was robbed in the Olympics against Lewis, i don't understand the discussion about the Olympics winners being better than others or always beating their opponents. There are hundreds of Olympics winners that have been a failure in professional. For one, most amateurs don't need a very good chin to be successful and it changes much in professional boxing
     
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  6. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Extremely dumb post. Did it cross your mind that Tyson might simply outpoint him given his superior skill and speed ?!?
     
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  7. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Why would Tyson be stupid to lead first when he was a brilliant counter-puncher in his prime ?!?
     
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  8. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You failed to see that 90's Foreman weighed a lot more and was far stronger than 70's Foreman
     
  9. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You're clueless, stop embarrassing yourself further
     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    He wouldn't have a choice. Foreman would always spend the first round in ring center with his hands out waiting and sizing up his opponent. Foreman has the height and reach advantage and would simply pivot off the front leg no matter where the other guy went staring then down. He would then start pawing with his jab to get a reaction and parry the other guys shots with open gloves.

    Tyson literally did the opposite. He was the most aggressive fast starter in the divisions history. Yes he could counter punch, but when did you see Tyson just standing still for an extended period of time and waiting in the first round? He would weave to draw a jab and get to work on the body, then slowly work his way upstairs with uppercuts and overhand rights.

    Tyson's head movement is great against guys throwing light snappy jabs while backing away or moving laterally. Against a sledgehammer jab like Foreman's it wouldn't be easy to avoid because Foreman used his slow hand speed to his advantage for surprising accuracy. And with his reach and physical strength used to push Tyson off and redirect him whenever he charged inside like a bull. Tyson would have a hard time getting his momentum going as Foreman's roughhouse tactics would disrupt his rhythm.

    Have you seen photos of prime Ron Lyle and Mike "Hercules" Weaver? Stan Ward fought and sparred with them both and said Foreman was by far the strongest boxer he faced.

    Chuvalo had been in more than 80 pro fights and named Foreman, and Chuvalo was no slouch in brute strength either but he got manhandled.

    Frazier said Foreman.

    6'1 223 Scott Ledoux tried to outwrestle prime Foreman in a clinch and got forced into the mat within 8 seconds.

    70's Foreman didn't lift weights like 90's version but he was still tremendously strong and is often seen easily pushing guys with just one arm like they're kids. I think it's a pretty safe assumption to think Foreman has the strength advantage over Tyson who was very easy to push back and tie up all throughout his career. There's a difference between hitting strength and wrestling strength. Not one person in Foreman's entire career ever over powered or out muscled him.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    Your original statement was that NO OLYMPIAN EVER LOST TO A NON OLYMPIAN. THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT.

    Nothing you wrote was evidence, just baseless excuses anytime somebody lost because you refuse to admit you were wrong.

    This discussion is over. I'm not going to argue with someone ignoring historical facts and common knowledge.
     
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  12. SerbianLoudmouth

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    Stop bullshiting!
    I just proved my point stupid troll!
    I posted valin info unlike you who insult dumb man!
     
  13. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now that is a Dumb Post....Tyson never went the Distance or outpointed anyone ho was Bigger Classier and had a Granite Chin.....If He can not TKO Foreman He does not win end of story.!!!!
     
  14. Johnny_B

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    Are you that clueless ?!??
    Didn't you see his fights with Ribalta, Green, Tucker ?!?
    And the same can be said about Foreman. Young beat his ass when the fight went the distance.
    This is the best proof that Foreman won't be beating Tyson:
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  15. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ribalta....Green and Tucker...You believe these Fighters are going to Help your cause...Give me a Break would not last 3 Rounds with a Prime Foreman.!!!
     
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