Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

I gave you a source for Vitali complaining about Haye picking a Chisora fight over a Vitali fight. Vitali was willing to fight him and he faced Chisora instead. Klit v Povetkin had been negotiated plenty of times before, it kept falling through, look it up

 

your cards are way off
Look I have never seen anybody win aclose fight in Germany other than Hill.The corner was communicating the offical cards to the fighters in between roundsin the fights.This is a strictly illegal practice.

 

Christ,can you imgine him as a judge!OMG!

 

Originally you said Povetkin wasnt really a factor in Vitali's time then I posted him being in the same top ten with Vitali for about 5 years, and you changed tack and said Povetkin wasnt interested in the fight.You seem to have plenty of excuses for all Vitali's actions.
ps Got any sources for the fights falling through of all the other guys who I named? Vitali=CHERRY PICKER.

 

I was at this fight ,Mildenberger was butting and got slung out for it ,its that simple!

 

Cristian Sanavia 166 lbs beat Markus Beyer 168 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

• Date: 2004-06-05
• Location: Chemnitz Arena, Chemnitz, Sachsen, Germany
• Referee: Mark Green
• Judge: Humbert Furgoni 116-115
• Judge: Predrag Aleksic 116-113
• Judge: Larry O'Connell 114-115

 

Mildenberger did NOT knock Copper down ,and after the 1st round Cooper won every round until the German was dsq' by the Italian referee who had warned Mildenberger twice for illegal use of the head.
"Henry Cooper, 34 year old British heavyweight champion, grabbed the European title from Germany's Karl Mildenberger on an 8th round DQ at London's indoor Wembley Stadium Wednesday night. Cooper jabbed effectively with his left and was well ahead on points when Italian referee Nello Barroveccio disqualified the German for butting. Cooper, sporting a bad cut over his right eye, said his sights were now set on the WBA crown worn by Jimmy Ellis." -Associated Press

 

Here are the cards for the Gonzalez fight,note that only 1 judge voted for the hometown boy, and he was


German!lol


Julio Cesar Gonzalez 174 lbs beat Dariusz Michalczewski 174 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

• Date: 2003-10-18
• Location: Color Line Arena, Altona, Hamburg, Germany
• Referee: Joe Cortez
• Judge: Harry Davis 116-112
• Judge: Mike Glienna 116-112
• Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 113-11

 

14. Sven Ottke UD 12 Robin Reid
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   It's dangerous to travel to Germany for a fight against a hometown fighter, and Britain's Robin Reid learned that the hard way in 2003.
   
   Sven Ottke, who retired undefeated because of several (or more) gift decisions, was taken to school by Reid, who was jobbed by both the referee and judges. It's hard enough to beat the guy in the ring, much less two in the ring and three around it.
   
   Reid dropped Ottke to the canvas in the sixth round, which was somehow ruled a slip by the referee, and then he had a point deducted for a headbutt that nobody in the arena or on TV saw.
   
   Despite these shenanigans, Reid should have emerged as the clear victor, but hometown judges once again gave Ottke a decision that insulted people who understood the sport.

Reid cries robbery with referee suspect



John Rawling

Mon 15 Dec 2003 01.12 GMTFirst published on Mon 15 Dec 2003 01.12 GMT

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Robin Reid complained bitterly about the refereeing and judging of his fight against the undefeated German Sven Ottke in Nuremberg, in which he failed to capture the World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation versions of the super-middleweight title. Reid lost by a unanimous but contentious points decision which he described as "beyond a joke".

The Manchester-based fighter, 32, started brightly but was frequently warned in the early rounds for infringements seen by few except the home referee Roger Tillermann. The action was stopped for holding, kidney punches, use of the head and once when Ottke appeared stunned by a legitimate right cross.

A veteran of 20 world title fights, Ottke, 36, has received numerous hometown decisions and the fight was reduced to farce in the sixth round as Ottke was floored by a legitimate punch, only for the referee to rule there had been no knockdown. Reid's sense of anger and disillusionment was heightened when Ottke leaped at him, with his chest colliding with Reid's head, and Tillermann deducted a point from Reid.

"He was just an awful referee," Reid said. "You don't expect any favours obviously, but at least Dick Turpin wore a mask when he robbed people.

"Ottke is crafty and he was falling into me in that sixth round. I wasn't using my head at all, I was looking to throw punches. He was just constantly steaming in with his shoulder, I think he hit me in the face more times with his shoulder than he did with his fists.

"But when you've got a referee like that you are up against it big time. I knew it would be difficult but I didn't expect it to be as bad as that."

A barely-deserving Ottke won with scores of 117-112 and two cards of 115-113



Ottke retired in 2004 with a record of 34-0. Though Ottke retired undefeated, the legitimacy of his record will always be in question due to controversial decisions he received in his home country of Germany against Charles Brewer, Thomas Tate, Glen Johnson, Byron Mitchell, Mads Larsen, and Robin Reid. [1]



Eddie Machen 193 lbs lost to Karl Mildenberger 197 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

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• Date: 1966-02-03
• Location: Festhalle, Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany
• Referee: Gerd Seewald

"The sensation of the evening came in the interval to round seven, when the Bundes Deutscher Berufsboxer official, Gerhard Seewald, the appointed third man, had caught up with Machen's elbow when trying to part the boxers and fell backwards landing on his back. Helmut Bertram then took over the duties of third man on the grounds that Seewald was not fit enough to continue after his fall. Whatever the cause of this switch, Werner's decision saved the fight and the promotion. The crowd was not very pleased with Seewald's officiating up to this point. They had been calling for more action but whenever Machen went in close and proved superior at infighting, Seewald would pull him off. Machen, 33, was facing his first southpaw in 57 fights, and it certainly worried him. there were times when he did not know what to do. It also was his first fight since July 1965. Mildenberger, 28, was not prepared to take any chances. He couldn't afford to after his disappointing bouts with Dave Bailey and stable companion Gerhard Zech. He was content to coast along for a points win." Source?

Post fight comments

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  "My strong point is infighting at the ropes. I just don't understand why the referee pulled us apart every time." -Eddie Machen

Rex Layne vs. Heinz Neuhaus (1st meeting)
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Rex Layne 208 lbs drew with Heinz Neuhaus 215 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

• Date: 1954-12-12
• Location: Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
  "Rex Layne, Salt Lake City, Utah, heavyweight, made a big hit with German boxing fans while holding European heavyweight champion Heinz Neuhaus to a 10 round draw last night. The crowd of 15,000 booed Neuhaus in the 9th and 10th rounds and some fans were so sure that Layne had won, they leaped in the ring and carried him down the steps in triumph on their shoulders before the decision was announced. Layne battered Neuhaus' body, almost jacknifed him with a left hook to the stomach in the 8th and gashed his brow in the final session. Neuhaus, ranked 5th among the world's heavyweights, was never able to start a decisive rally and never had Layne in trouble." -United Press
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Felix Sturm vs. Matthew Macklin
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Felix Sturm 159 lbs beat Matthew Macklin 160 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

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  2011-06-25
• Location: Lanxess-Arena, Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
• Referee: Stanley Christodoulou
• Judge: Jose Ignacio Martinez Antunez 116-112
• Judge: Roberto Ramirez Sr 116-112
• Judge: Levi Martinez 113-115

Felix Sturm 160 lbs drew with Martin Murray 159 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

• Date: 2011-12-02
• Location: SAP-Arena, Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
• Referee: Stanley Christodoulou
• Judge: Pasquale Procopio 114-114
• Judge: Jean Francois Toupin 116-112
• Judge: Ted Gimza 113-115

• World Boxing Association Super World Middleweight Title (11th defense by Sturm)
• Promoter: Felix Sturm (Sturm Box-Promotion)
• Aired On: SAT 1 (Germany), Sky Sports (UK), Sport 1 (Hungary)

• Murray landed 258 punches to Sturm's 182, and 184 power punches to 90, respectively.[1]

 

No I didn't, I said Fury wasn't really a factor in Vitali's time as Champ. I've always maintained Povetkin could of made a fight with either brother at any stage.

Why am I going to find you sources when you willfully ignore the sources provided to you, ie Haye turning down Vitali

 

The German fighters lost all of these fights except possibly Schulz but the one was not in Germany.

 

"Right but did Povetkin and his management want the fight? I think he was being brought along slowly and happy to cash in on a vacant WBA belt rather than to push his status as IBF mandatory."

Which other fighters they faced and lost to is irelevant; they were ranked when Vitali was ranked and he somehow"missed ," all of them .
Cherrypicker.

 

It is well know that Valuev and Haye backed out of chances to fight Vital. Why can't you learn? Vitali was an avoided man, even in his late 30's.

 

Haye wasnt willing to cede 2 more fights to K2 if he won,Gareth Davies wrote about it in the Telegraph and it was in the Guardian too.
I'm wondering how many variations of Vitali you can come up with, so far we have had Vitalai,Vitlai and Vital.lol

 

You wanted proof of corrupt judging in Germany I've given you several examples and so have others.