Who really won between Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler

Boring fight. Old and slow as hell Hagler still won.

 

This is like Canelo GGG 1. You and some people say Hagler won.

But some think Leonard won easily.

CST is like Adalaide Byrd.

 

Hey man, could you change your avatar? It offends me.

 

If you're offended by my avatar then you're offended by what happened in the match, which if you're a GGG fan I don't blame you. If I were a GGG fan, I wouldn't want to be reminded of GGG getting rocked with shots like that and seeing his face scrambled and his ears flapping in the wind from the impact.

 

Yeah I am here to help you get this straight, because you obviously don't have this straight. But don't worry, I'm glad to help you on this. So yes I'm telling you that Canelo won while using Leonard-like tactics. Canelo fought off the backfoot and used footwork against GGG that no one thought he had. You'd have to be blind to not see the parallels between the two bouts. You had Hagler and GGG, the undefeated MW Champion defending their titles. You had Canelo and SRL coming up from lower weights to fight at MW a new weight class for them.

Hagler and GGG were both heavily favored to win, many of their fans thinking that they would destroy the smaller man. Many fans predicted that Canelo had no chance, that GGG would knock out Canelo or hurt him badly. Similarly, many fans predicted that Leonard had no chance, that Hagler would knock out Leonard or hurt him badly. And both underdogs proceeded to outbox their opponent, proving people wrong, using their skills and footwork to befuddle and frustrate their opponent.

That would be a matter of opinion and how you define effective. Ask yourself this, who caused more damage : Leonard to Hagler or Canelo to GGG? Who landed the bigger more powerful more impactful shots : Leonard on Hagler or Canelo on GGG?

Leonard landed more flashy combos on Hagler than Canelo landed on GGG but did any of Leonard's punches really rock or hurt Hagler? Wouldn't you agree that Canelo inflicted more damage on GGG than Leonard inflicted on Hagler?

I never said you're a bad scorer. I also never argued that Byrd was a bad scorer either. She just saw Canelo GGG 1 differently to most who had it close, similar to how you saw Leonard Hagler differently to most who had it close. Comprende?

I'm undermining myself? Nice try, you're a funny guy. You had it the same as one of the judges who had it 118-110 Leonard the same score. Most disagreed with that one judge who had it 118-110. The vast majority had it way closer than that.

 

I find it interesting how both yourself and CST who both are well versed in the sport of boxing, can see the same bout so differently. He had it a landslide for Leonard while you had Hagler winning, "clearly" even. And both I think can make a reasonable argument as to why Hagler won or in CST's case why Leonard won in a landslide. I don't see any problem with this. Judging a boxing match is subjective. Both you and CST can have your opinion about what happened, I have no problem with that.

But then why in the case of Canelo GGG 1 can't this same phenomena occur? Why can't one person say GGG won in close but clear fashion while someone else say that Canelo won in a landslide? You see what I'm getting at here? I personally think it's fine for you to think Hagler won and for CST to think Leonard won by a wide margin. But on the same token you can make the same kinds of arguments for Canelo GGG 1.

 

Shadow is a guy that confuses quantity with quality.

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You are like Adelaide Byrd. You scored Leonard Hagler 118-110 Leonard, which was how Jose Juan Guerra scored it, 118-110 Leonard. The other two judges and the vast majority of fans had it way closer. Adelaide Byrd scored Canelo GGG 118-110 Canelo, the other two judges and the vast majority of fans had it way closer.

You're kidding yourself. Look at my avatar. You're telling me that punch that re-arranged GGG's face didn't seem to bother GGG? Did you not notice GGG's face turning red as a tomato in the 2nd half of the bout, did you not notice GGG taking deep breaths?

You know full well who inflicted more damage. Canelo inflicted way more damage on GGG than Leonard inflicted on Hagler, it's not even close. You're in a state of denial about what happened and the parallels when it comes to how both matches were scored. Yes Leonard landed far more flashy combos on Hagler than Canelo did on GGG. But those flashy punches did not seem to bother Hagler, unlike those bombs that Canelo landed on GGG. You are in the same boat as the one judge who had Leonard winning 118-110, while most fans disagree with that who saw it closer. But that's OK, that's your opinion. I have no problem with that. Byrd had Canelo beating GGG by the same score, and most fans disagreed with her who saw it closer. You're so offended by being compared to Adelaide Byrd, yet that's excatly what Jose Juan Guerra was as it pertains to Leonard Hagler who you agree with.

 

I thought Hagler did enough at the time to win, but I do recall everyone talking at the time about how slow Hagler looked, he had no snap on his punches whatsoever. He looked like he was several years older, maybe 38 or 39.

 

Watched this fight no end of times and always come to the conclusion that Leonard edged it.

 

Lol Hagler was what 33 years old and coming off the back of the Hearns and Mugabi wins.

Leonard was going up in weight after being inactive for a long stretch, whether you think he won or not let's not diminish that he even went the distance with Hagler when everyone thought he would get starched.