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Okay, it depends on what we define as a 'boxer'. To me, a boxer is somebody who does not have a lot of power (compared to other fighters) and relies on handspeed, footwork, combinations, precision, counterpunching, etc. to win fights, a lot of which end in decision. Now that may not be what you think, or what Crowcroft thinks, but since that's what I call a boxer, Liston undoubtedly does not fit that description. For me, the fact that Liston had a great jab and could go the 10 or 12 round distance okay does not make him a boxer.
Sugar Ray Robinson for both best and greatest boxer-puncher. Ezzard Charles, Jose Napoles, Thomas Hearns are the definition of it too
All depends on ur definition, read what I said to johnthomas1. Sorry, I'm a kid. I would much rather be 40 years older tho.
Trust me you don't, William. You are, however, a smart and (when necessary) gracious young man who learned early on not to deal with obvious trolls (btw I don't mean anyone in this particular discussion, certainly not @JohnThomas1 ). There are 60 and 70s year olds that still don't have those qualities.
Lennox Lewis, Carlos Monzon, Thomas Hearns, Sergey Kovalev, Michael Spinks at LHW, Gennady Golovkin, George Foreman I will edit if I think of more. A boxer puncher is someone that has a mainly mid guard and uses a stiff jab to set up power punches and doesn’t do any special defensive moves like shoulder rolls or dropping their hand and using lots of head movement, this is why I don’t include Roy Jones, he has what I call the ‘Superman’ Style, Haye also had this style
Mike Tyson can’t stay too far on the outside...but he doesn’t like it on the inside...and he can’t fight going backwards
Yeah, my first fight was the closed-circuit Rumble in the Jungle (I was 8) and Ali was like the God of Sports to me. But boxing didn't become a huge deal to me until I watched Larry dismantle Gerry Cooney in 1982 at the age of 15. After that I went crazy, collecting massive quantities of VHS tapes so I could have all the Clay/Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Duran, Leonard, Saad and Mustafa Muhammad, Hagler, Marvin Johnson, Michael Spinks fights. I loved boxing like crazy and boxed myself (I had a massive punch but was heavily muscled and thus had trouble getting away from punches). I know I'm old, but it is unfortunate you missed the 70s, 80s, and 90s of heavyweight boxing. It was still great in the 90s: Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Mercer, Tyson, Foreman, Tua...all were just sensational to watch and it really wasn't that far in terms of great boxers and fights from the Immortal 70s Boxing Gods. But who knows, Fury, Wilder, and Joshua might end up really turning into something. Fury certainly seems on his way, another win over Wilder probably solidifies him as a top 20 ATG. A win over Joshua would unquestionably place him top 15 for sure. So you might have some great boxing times ahead to look forward to. In hindsight though, it's hard to top seeing Ali beat Foreman or Holyfield beating Tyson, Norton-Holmes, Holmes-Witherspoon, Tyson-Spinks, Arguello-Prior, Duran-Leonard I....
I have never liked it when people said they wished they grew up at a different time, cuz I'm sure there was some horrible stuff back in the 60s/ 70s/ and 80s that aren't problems now. I really have on older mind though. I love old boxing, old movies, old music, old books. I don't care about anything new really. Actually, I've only watched Fury once, and I was completely disgusted. I don't like any of these new fighters at all. My intention has been the past year or so ( I have wanted to be a boxer longer than that) to become a boxer and fight some of the guys like Fury, Wilder, and Joshua before they retire. It sounds outlandish, but then again, everyone thought it was outlandish that Larry Holmes would ever amount to anything, and now he's considered one of the greatest fighters of all time!
Larry's one of my favorites because a lot of the time he performed best when expected to lose, hard. Norton, Cooney, Ali, and Mercer were examples. Holyfield too...he was expected to get taken out early and he won several rounds of that fight. Yeah, get in there and knock those guys out...in sensational fashion
Thnx Rules. Imo the heavies of today are a disgrace to boxing. The division just needs one guy to turn it around again. I have studied a lot of fighters in many decades, and although I haven't watched Fury and Joshua and those guys a lot, I really do think they would be relatively easy to beat.
This is why the thread is talking about boxer-punchers William. You for some reason are talking about a boxer. George and the rest of us are talking hybrids. This is what the thread is about. A boxer-puncher most certainly has power. He need not have Hearns/Foster/Tyson power but he most certainly is no Whitaker in the department either.
I do not find Liston a hybrid, that is why I specified what a boxer is. Imo, Liston is a 100% slugger. Great jab, sure. Fair stamina sure. Those aren't qualities that fit the boxer alone.
