Pacquiao-Thurman or Mayweather-Canelo: What Is The Greater Win???

Mayweather over Canelo for me, Pacquiao while impressive due to age beat the lesser fighter in a closer fight simple as that for me.

People will bring up Canelos close fights yet Thurman a solid argument can be made he lost to Porter and Garcia both those fights we're split decisions as well.
Canelo beat an unbeaten Titlist the fight before Mayweather then in his very next beat the #2 and a top 5 JMW b2b.

Thurman has been shakey for a while literally ever fight vs a good opponent he looks like crap, Guerrero,Lopez had him hurt early, Garcia and Porter like I mentioned then losing to a 40 year old Pacquiao.

 

Was Thurman ever rated over canelo

 

No, but Pac's win over Thurman was done on a level playing field, unlike Mayweather Canelo which had Canelo at a major disadvantage of being drained because Floyd refused to fight him without advantages.

Canelo's the better win on paper, but Mayweather refusing to fight Canelo unless he was drained which made it easier for Mayweather to win makes Pac's win over Thurman better because he didn't need to weaken Thurman to beat him. And on top of that, Pacquiao was much older when he beat Thurman than Mayweather was when he beat Canelo. And on top of all that, Thurman was much more seasoned than Canelo was when he fought Mayweather. Thurman was fully in his prime at the age of 30 when he fought Pacquiao. Canelo was only 23, now granted Canelo had been fighting for many years before he fought Mayweather but he was still much younger and less experienced at fighting top fighters at that time. Thurman had already been in super fights with guys like Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia, and won those fights. Canelo had just beaten Trout which was a big win, but I don't think anyone would rate Trout at the level of Shawn Porter or Danny Garcia.

So while Canelo is a better win on paper than Thurman, when you take into account all the details and circumstances surrounding each bout, the fact that Mayweather needed to give himself unfair advantages like a catchweight, the fact that Pacquiao was much older than Mayweather was when he beat Canelo, and the fact that Thurman was much more prime than Canelo was when he fought Mayweather, it's really a no brainer. Now the counter to that is that Thurman had taken a year off in 2018 and struggled a bit in his tune-up vs Lopez, but still, that's offset by Pac's advanced age and the fact that there wasn't a catchweight like in Mayweather Canelo.

 

Floyd's win over Pac > Pac's loss to Floyd

 

Canelo was green no doubt but p4p was still better than Thurman, Canelo had a win over undefeated Trout who was coming in from embarrassing Cotto before the Mayweather fight, that win alone is better than anything Thurman has done.

 

They did not school Canelo at all. As a moderator you should at least be knowledgeable and impartial whether you like a particular fighter or not. Canelo best Trout and Lara he got schooled by Floyd live with it and don’t spread misinformation.

 

An even greener Canelo, that weighed close to the same weight that he weighed in against Floyd bodied Lopez. It was a complete one-sided beat down. Lopez barely landed anything of note and got tagged with ease.

Yet the Thurman that looked terrible against a Lopez is better?

Drained or not, the Canelo that Floyd fought is better than the Canelo Lopez fought.
And that Canelo would body the Thurman that Pac and Lopez fought.

 

Being that I live less than 30 minutes away from where Thurman's gym is I've followed his career since his amateur days. He's fell off big time. If you watch his fights against Garcia, Porter, and all prior to it and compare them with the shell of a man that came in against Lopez and Pacquiao you'd notice the drop-off is incredibly steep. His legs aren't there, his timing is off, his conditioning is faded, and he's just overall lethargic in the ring. Watching him follow Pacquiao around the ring with no real urgency or ability to let his hands go like the Thurman of young was more than enough confirmation. He's not who he was. Also he can't make it through a training camp unscathed to save his life he's done. If he rematched Porter or Garcia he'd be a huge underdog in both fights. He probably has 1 subpar performance left in him at world level then its time to hang it up the guy is shot.

 

Much more prime? A greener, weaker Canelo destroyed Lopez. Yet the Thurman that looked like dogcrap against Lopez was more prime?

Would you pick the Thurman that beat Garcia and Porter to look that bad against Lopez?

 

Even though I criticize him and his team a great deal, in my opinion Canelo is a far superior fighter to Thurman. Thurman has been grossly over rated his whole career. I never doubted for a second he was going to beat Thurman. So I pick Floyds win over Canelo.

 

I’d say Pacquiao.... because Thurman at this stage was more seasoned then Canelo was when he fought Floyd. There was no catch weight, and Pacquiao was 40. I know he’s done the catch weight thing in the past but we’re talking about specific fights.Thurman while less active then Canelo at these particular times was older, more matured and imo a more significant win.

 

CST80 I am not asking you to be a Company Man especially for Golden Girl Promotions. As you know in the promotional stakes I am a PBC man though I am quite fond of Fast Car Eddie Hearn and Bobfather Bob Arum even though Eddie can be a prat, he is our prat and the Bobfather is confirmed liar(yesterday I was lying today I am telling the truth). To often on this site people deny the truth. It’s one thing to think the fights Canelo had with Trout and Lara were close it’s another thing to say they schooled him. Personally I like all 3 guys but the only person who schooled Canelo is my brother and our brother Emeritus Professor of boxing Floyd Money Mayweather. We still get the deluded and desperate trying to claim he really lost to Castillo and Maidana in their first fights which he did not do. Specifically with respect to Mods like you and Serge and experienced posters I am expect more. I do accept that the Clenbuterol incident diminishes Canelo’s excellent legacy because even if not willful cheating at the very least it’s reckless and his excellent team should have known better.

 

Thurman was a pretender and Mayweather gave up more weight.

If you want a barometer for Thurman's level, Josesito had beaten Thurman up before the Pac fight whereas Maidana stopped Josesito before the Maywether fights.