Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

I never use newspaper lists ,I used the Ring ratings. I showed you Wepner was ranked no8 and Jackson was number 8.You can bluster and posture all you want ,I kill you here on a daily basis, and I'll let you into a secret I really, really enjoy it!'

Rings end of year ratings
1973
Wepner no10
1974
Wepner no8
1976
Wepner no9


Jackson was no 8 when he fought Lewis.

























The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: Heavyweight--1970s
1974


1973
Muhammad Ali Champion

1. Joe Frazier
2. Ken Norton
3. Jerry Quarry
4. Ron Lyle
5. Earnie Shavers
6. Oscar Bonavena
7. Joe Bugner
8. Jimmy Ellis
9. Chuck Wepner
10. Jose Garcia

Muhammad Ali, Champion
1975

1. George Foreman
2. Joe Frazier
3. Ron Lyle
4. Oscar Bonavena
5. Joe Bugner
6. Ken Norton
7. Jerry Quarry
8. Chuck Wepner
9. Henry Clark
10. Larry Middleton

Muhammad Ali, Champion
197

1. Ken Norton
2. Jimmy Young
3. Joe Frazier
4. George Foreman
5. Ron Lyle
6. Earnie Shavers
7. Duane Bobick
8. Joe Bugner
9. Chuck Wepner
10. Randy Neumann

 

I never use newspaper lists ,I used the Ring ratings. I showed you Wepner was ranked no8 and Jackson was number 8.You can bluster and posture all you want ,I kill you here on a daily basis, and I'll let you into a secret I really, really enjoy it!'

Rings end of year ratings
1973
Wepner no10
1974
Wepner no8
1976
Wepner no9


Jackson was no 8 when he fought Lewis.

 

What surgery was Moorer coming off? Source?
Holyfield was 48 in that Williams fight.

Vitali v Byrd 28!
Spot the difference?

Guhl couldnt pick up his own shoes,he is the resident clown here, just as you are the resident hater.A slapstick tag team of imbeciles!lol

 

You asked whom Farr and London beat? I supplied you with the most noteworthy names.
Wepner was top ten ranked 3 years in a row 73,74,75.Ive just provided you with the proof!
He didn't knock Ali down he hit him in the chest and ,as he was standing on his foot at the time Ali had no option but to hit the floor.

I didn't for one moment think you would accept the ratings or, heaven forbid ,admit you are wrong!
NB
London was
no 8 in dec1958
no10 in dec 1963
no10 in dec 1965
London fought Folley the same year,[ 1967,] as Folley challenged Ali for the title and went 7 rds with him.
Rademacher fought London 3 years after he challenged Patterson for the title.Rademacher was 31 when he fought London.
ps If you were someone with the ability to learn from your mistakes and not repeat them I and others, would be justified in charging for educating you but,as the saying goes,"you can't educate pork".

 

How could it be the same Lewis when the fight with Vitali was more than 3 years later and Lewis' last ever bout at almost 38yo?

Incidentally Holyfield went the distance twice with Lewis and did not get TKO'd.

 

3 years older, but the same man in there getting outboxed. Holyfield was uncompetively durable but he was clearly outboxed. Now you're putting Holyfield in with someone who outboxed the man who dominated him. And aside from a few Holyfield flurries that jab controlled Evander all night long.

To put it another way, if Holyfield can't get past Lennox's jab, hows he going to get past an even more relentless quicker jab in Vitali's?

 

you rate Vital's jab highter than Lennox, really ? I have another question: If Vitali could not beat a faded overweight Lewis, how is he going to beat PRIME Holyfield ?

 

It was not the same man. To pretend otherwise is simply incorrect.

Holyfield put up a very good effort in the rematch. He adapted and gave himself a better chance in a more competitive fight. Holyfield tho still extremely capable was past his best. The Holyfield that Lewis beat would not be the one fighting in a dream match. It wasn't the very best Holyfield pure and simple.

The thread clearly states prime for prime so i have no idea why you would be thrusting forth this version of Holyfield as exhibit A as to why Vitali wins. Having said that you did try to put a lot of weight into SRR vs the shell of Henry Armstrong.

Peak Holyfield would hardly sit at the end of Vitali's jab all night. I'm far from convinced Vitali had a better jab than Lewis that's for sure.

 

Frank Bruno had way more success against Lewis with the jab than Vitali did. I wouldn't give Bruno any chance of beating or out jabbing prime Holyfield.
Lewis used plenty of uppercuts and holds to deal with a faded Holyfield.

 

A lot of the press media fought Evander won the Lewis II fight. The fight was not scored fairly because of the first fight. At the end, past prime Holyfield has a draw against Lewis while prime Vitali has a stoppage loss.Those are the facts

 

you mean Mendoza the Klitschko fan boy

 

Oh Moorer coming off a shoulder surgery, in add-on to his flabby form its in a current thread here. I even put a link to it is this thread.

Exactly quitting to a guy on William's level.

As for Ghul, he gets under your skin.

 

Who is this " a lot of press " that felt Holyfield won the 2nd fight? No he didn't and the fact that you think he did underscores you lack of objectivity on him.

The draw was straight horse pi$$.

If you want to compare score cards or punch stats, its a losing proposition for you.

Look in 6 rounds Vitali won 4 only stopped by a cut. In 12 rounds the best Holfyield could do is win 4 rounds. Lewis gave Holyfield a re-match because he though correctly that he wasn't that good. He ran from a Klitschko re-match, plain and simple.

 

Not one man, including Lewis himself came close to out jabbing Vitali. That is a fact. A prime " Holyfield " even on PED's got his rear end handed to him by Bowe, his world rocked by journeyman Bert Cooper, was cut by old man Holmes and lost to Moorer. He wasn't that good, Vitali would beat him like Bowe did.

I keep showing you Holyfield did not match up with talented power punchers. He's should be 1-4 vs Bowe and Lewis. He didn't clean up on Holmes or Foreman, and he has issues with lesser men quiet frequently. Facts are facts. Film does not lie.

 

As I told you he was recovering from a surgery and the Hoffman match took place after Wlad pounded Byrd. You failed to produce the re-match clause print to read that I asked for. Now it appears you asking me the questions you can't back up, despite running your math as if they happened!

Now stop ducking my questions!

Once again, do you think Lewis ducked out of a re-match with Vitali or not? Yes or no?. Lewis said he give it. The WBC ordered the re-match. Prove to the board you can be honest with a Yes or No answer to this question.

I'll be waiting....