Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

Nah blind mice that was official scoring of first fight

 

Another vote for Vitali.

 

Beyond a shadow of a doubt mate.

 

Yup. Some of us here would make better officials than the actual officials, and one of us is actually gonna be one.

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Good stuff!!!!! What was your end score for Lewis - Holyfield II?

 

Bad official scoring in both Lewis - Holyfield II fights. How one could score the 12th round for Lewis in the second fight is beyond me, but 2 officials did I think.Just bad scoring once again. At the end , a draw and a win for Lennox is fine for me, that is what matters at the end

 

IIRC it was something like 116/112 for Lewis, although that was a good three years ago, and I've come on a lot since then. It seems about right though to me, so I'll trust myself here and say that's about right.

Yeah, on a course for my judging and refereeing license once the next amateur season starts. I can't wait.

 

DUCK, DUCK, DUCK....DINO!

Can you answer my question?

Do you think Lewis abided the WBC ordered re-match with Vitali or not? Yes or No?

I already told you 3x, Vitali wasn't ready to come back. He was recovering from surgery. The fight with Wlad vs. Bryd happened before Vitali vs. Hoffman. No one on the mend from surgery should be forced to re-match until they are ready. When Don King signed Byrd, King wanted no part of a re-match, Byrd did re-match Wlad, but it took a lot of cash from him to risk his IBF belt, which I believe he won under King's management.

I asked YOU to show me the re-match clause first. You have shown Nothing.

GET HELP, and try to answer my questions, not direct them back to me.

 

Who is gonna be an official?
On a side note do you think my new thread is gonna overtake the Bowe Primo thread?
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That's an excellent card. Hopefully we will see you scoring pro fights well down the track!!!

 

Yes the officiating was biased for Holyfield! He clearly lost both fights with Lewis. How come Holyfield got two gift draws that should have been losses ( Lewis 1, Ruiz 1 ) , and the lone match between him and Bowe that Holyfield won which was very close, went his way. Hmmmmmm....

 

You got that one right. No case for a Holyfield win.

 

Me! "Georgie the Judge' as my Nana called me the other day. And quite possibly, although this one is actually a competitive match up, so I don't think it's a bad thing.

Why thank you, I'll have to remember that one. Although from what I remember it wasn't really a barnburner, so I probably wasn't gonna rewatch it anyway. And I'd love to be a big time Vegas judge, although I'd uhh, have to stay away from Oscar De La Hoya and the meals he hosts...

 

Not one man, including Lewis himself came close to out jabbing Vitali. That is a fact. A prime " Holyfield " even on PED's got his rear end handed to him by Bowe, his world rocked by journeyman Bert Cooper, was cut by old man Holmes and lost to Moorer. He wasn't that good, Vitali would beat him like Bowe did.

I keep showing you Holyfield did not match up with talented power punchers. He's should be 1-4 vs Bowe and Lewis. He didn't clean up on Holmes or Foreman, and he has issues with lesser men quiet frequently. Facts are facts. Film does not lie. - Mendoza

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How come you skip over my facts so often and pivot back to what has been addressed before. Vitali has several dominating wins over contenders. Maybe if he struggled and lost to lesser men as Holyfield did and got re-maatch, you'd view him better?

The ONLY reason Byrd won was the injury. Smart boxing fans know it, and Vitali took that fight on short notice too. Holyfield quit on his stool after a cut later in his career. The only reason Vialii did not avenge his losses is he didn't get that opportunity. DUH. Lewis balked.

If you are saying Chisora wasn't a good fight, I will point out he was ranked before, and Vitlai beat a him with an injury. Do you want to compare the juiced-up Holyfield at similar ages? You list excuses galore....Losing to Donald badly, losing to Ibragimov, GTFKO, by a blow up the middle. Losing to Ruiz on fair scorecards. How do you like those apples?

Holyfield look like terrible vs Bean ( Vitlai dominated the same guy ) , he was floored and hurt vs. Cooper. Danny Williams got his rear end kicked. Watch the fight. Even Roy Jones was very impressed by Vitlai on the mike, and he's not the type to give non USA fighters from Europe fighters praise.

Holyfield was often outboxed by smaller men than Vitlai and could not stop Bowe or Lewis, neither of whom as Vitali's chin.

I think I'm talking to a man in denial. You can not see / admit that Holyfield lost to Lewis in the 2nd fight. The others in the forum are laughing at that, but if you really believe that, I suppose you never take into account how often Holyeld struggled vs. lesser men, and how poorly he matched up vs. super heavyweight with a good had, power and skills.

Quick question that Dino is avoiding. Do you think Lewis abided the WBC ordered re-match with Vitali or not? Yes or No?

 

Peak Holyfield is 205lbs and essentially giving up 40lbs in weight. You have to ask if you want the fastest fittest version, who'd have less dig and strength or the 217lb steroid fueled ripped to the bone version who hit a bit harder and was able to stop Tyson and Moorer and probably had an improved chin due to the greater neck muscle density.

Peak 205lb Holy doesn't really have a highly comparable opponent to Vitali or Lennox. Douglas and Holmes are probably the nearest stylistic opponents but both were out of shape. Bowe I don't think is because Bowe liked to fight inside. Holmes did give Holyfield quite a few problems and I'd expect Vitali to do more by fighting at a faster pace. Holmes also rested on the ropes where as Vitali would look to command ring centre