Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

Do you think Mosley won the De La Hoya rematch? Because most ringside press media did

 

Wlad - Byrd happened only 4 weeks before Vitali vs Hoffman... FOUR WEEKS. . Vitali was fully fit to go seven months after he lost the fight.

You keep saying he was recovering from surgery but the facts show he was fully recovered only 7 months later. The facts show he never sought the rematch....

You have been exposed yet again. How long more are you going to expose your pitiful dishonesty?

 

yes I did

 

I am going to rewatch the Holyfield vs Lewis II fight this weekend to put this discussion at rest once and for all! I am going to do this because apparently I am in the minority for this one on this board

 

Hey Duck, Duck, Duck,

He was recovering from an injury. Who the heck are you to say when the injury is 100% healed? Are you some sort of doctor? Stop being dishonest and pretending to know when he was ready. This is your problem, and everybody knows it.

Boxing is a sport where you are constantly extending and snapping the shoulder joint.

Now stop ducking and lying about things you have no clue about, and answer this. Do you think Lewis ran from he re-match vs Vitali or not?

Why can't you answer this simple question!

 

Lewis clearly won the battle of the jabs. At one point a Lewis jab buckled the knees of Vitali.

Vitali couldn't use the jab to control Lewis at all.. Bruno had way more success out jabbing Lewis than Vitali did.. These are the ficts.

 

Great, include you round by round score card, and punch stats by round keep it honest. I'll offer fair commentary. I suspect you will give everything close to Holfyeild giving Lewis none of the close rounds. We'll see.

 

Did he seek the rematch? No he did not. Can you prove he sought the rematch ?? You have failed at every juncture. You have lost the debate badly.

Byrd says Vitali didn't want the rematch.. This is what happened.. Vitali ducked a rematch to a guy who beat him on 8 days notice..FACTS

 

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Most of the ringside press also had Rigondeaux vs Donaire razor close, like by 1/2 point margins. How???

 

Real question. Would you box someone who you'd torn you rotator against when you were recovering from a rotator cuff surgery? When it could possibly happen again because they're slippy. Yes Vitali avoided the rematch but he was winning the first fight and likely would of won the rematch if he wanted to risk his shoulder going and possibly totally derailing his career.

However if Vitali doesn't have a world class brother he probably does rematch Byrd. It's simply that they operated from a mutually beneficial perspective.

 

Holyfield all the way from Pinklon Thomas to the finish of his career weighed as low as 205 once. You've picked out the lowest he ever weighed in his prime heavyweight life (surprise) and put it forth as the standard.

When he did actually weigh 205 he lost to Riddick Bowe. 12 months later he came in at 217 and beat Bowe. This version was 3 years and more prior to the 217 pound guy you mention that beat Tyson and Moorer.

Also he came in at exactly the same weight in both Moorer fights so attributing extra weight as the reason for him stopping Moorer the second time simply doesn't work.

When he was 208 he did actually knock out James Douglas with a single punch.

Even the Tyson version you talk about is a full 2 1/2 years fresher than the Lewis version you tried to put forth as evidence of a Vitali victory.

The 217 pound prime version that beat Bowe rocked him on a couple of occasions so certainly didn't lack firepower.

Bowe's dimensions and power make him a very decent comparison. Bowe and Vitali are very close height and weight wise. Bowe was probably a better fighter however than Vitali. Bowe liking to fight inside may have even made him a tougher stylistic proposition. Bowe could fight outside too. Bowe is the best comparison we have.

Again Douglas was knocked out with one punch so overweight or not Holyfield pumped him.

Holyfield beat Holmes convincingly. Holmes never looked like winning. Holmes was still quite canny too. He wasn't overweight this was simply what his best fighting weight was at that age and career stage. He would have killed himself coming in at his peak weight of around 212-213.

Vitali's workrate and size would cause problems but Holyfield's speed and skill advantage would cause problems as well. It would be a tough fight but i would not be surprised one bit to see The Real Deal take a decision.

 

Why should Lewis have rematched Rahman , he might have gotten slept with the right hand again. Imo Vitali didn't want to rematch Byrd as he would have had a full camp to train for the style he began to figure out midway through the first fight.

Too much talk about Vitali being hampered in that fight. Byrd was also hampered. He came off the couch on 8 days , never saw any footage on Vitali and had to adopt a gameplan as he went along.
From the very first round you could see Vitali's style didn't mesh well with Byrds.

 

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Dino,

At the point I'm going to achieve all of your lies and false information as there is a limit to the amount of time I want to spend correcting you. I will copying and pasting your stuff when you act like and authority, lie, post false informaion or try to twist informaion, with the ESB web link and date. Then I will list the correction below it. I might miss some, so I'll invite your the numerous people who have grown tired of your act to add to the list at any time.

I'm might call the soon to be log list Dino's folly or Dunneng-Kruger's folly. I have not made up my mind yet.

If you want the your lies / mistakes removed, just simply admit you were wrong, and I won't repost it. Deal?

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FALSE! Lewis did not " Clearly win the battle of the jabs. He was in fact out jabbed. DUH.

Jabs Lewis vs Klitschko:
Lewis landed 52,
Klitschko Landed 77

Lewis DID NOT win the battle of the jabs, take that back, or be shamed at a later date.

Power Punches Lewis Klitschko
Lewis landed 50, Vitali landed 79

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  Scorecards's from the judges:
• Judge: [url]Tom Kaczmarek[/url] 56-58
• Judge: [url]James Jen Kin[/url] 56-58
• Judge: [url]Pat Russell[/url] 56-58

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  All in favor of Vitali.

Now are you going to duck the question that Lewis ran from a re-match or not? Answer it.

 

#1 entry on Dino's folly in what should be a very long list

Dinovelvet - Lewis clearly won the battle of the jabs. 8-6-2020

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Facts: Lewis landed 52 jabs, Klitschko landed 77!

To remove this from the list, admit your mistake.

 

Yeah, this has been discussed a lot and I know you've always held that opinion.

I don't see it myself but, if there's one thing I've learned from being on this site, it's that people can watch the same event and see quite different things.

There's been some good discussions on the bout in the past, which led me to take a really close look at the two fights again. I did see some aspects from Holyfield's adjustments in the second bout that I might not have paid attention to before and which other posters on here had brought my attention to.

That said, after plenty of viewing, I couldn't really push the pendulum so far back, as to make the result a Draw. But, that's just me.