Better stated Holyfield lost more rounds to Ruiz or Bowe ( Take you pick ) than Vitali did in his entire pro career, Yes, I think so, If you are up for counting, let us know Man_Machine. I take it a silent nod will do, otherwise try a debate on this point.
LAIR, The bet was easy. Was it filmed? The answer is yes. Not how it came out, is it around today, or was it a re-enactment. YOU LOSE. Complete in six rounds, including training pictures. Needless to say, this is the finest film ever taken. Even though the pictures were taken at enormous expense, the price of the films is within reach of all exhibitors. The greatest money maker. —[url]Lubin Catalo[/url]g [url]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0302719/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl[/url] Now STFU and go back to your freemason group, one day you might actually find out what they are all about, but to do that you'll need a high rank. As for the reason of your multiple bans there's more to it, and why so many alt account?s ***Vitali out there and out landed Lewis in jabs. Those are facts.*** Try embracing them for a change.
A terrible card. Two 10-10 rounds, and as I guessed you's gave two of the three close rounds to Holyfield to produce this " draw " Lewis out landed Holyfield in both jabs and power punches, plus was more accurate. Its clear cut I do give you some credit for producing a card and changing your stance from Holyfield won it to draw. In the 12th round, Holyfield came out firing, perhaps believing he needed a knockout to win. He staggered Lewis with a big right hand, but Lewis wouldn't go down. When the bell sounded to end the fight, Lewis raised his hands. Holyfield did not. He looked like he knew what was coming. Post-Fight Comments " Lennox Lewis: "This was a little tougher than the first fight. I couldn't let my fans down. I couldn't let myself down, because this is my dream. I realize that he wasn't doing nothing with me in the beginning. At times I was playing with him, because when I was jabbing he was coming in with his head. With all this on the line coming in, I knew I had to unify the belts." Evander Holyfield: "Of course, I was surprised. I was just fighting. I just fight and let the judges decide. Of course, I'm disappointed I didn't get the decision. But life is life. I hit him with some shots, and I thought it would catch up to him. I didn't get hurt with the jab. I was able to counter off his potshots. He was able to come back after I hit him with a couple of big shots. The big thing in life is you give it your all. When it falls into the judges' hands, you have to live with their decision." Judge: [url]Jerry Roth[/url] 115-113 Lewis Judge: [url]Chuck Giampa[/url] 116-112 Lewis Judge: [url]Bill Graham[/url] 117-111- Lewis Unofficial AP scorecard: 116-113 Lewis
Not at all. The 4th round was close already but I gave it to Lewis. Lewis landed a couple more punches but Holyfield had that stiff jab to the chest. Then came the 5th another close round, which I then gave even to be fair. In the 9th, Holyfield was doing better overall but Lewis had that big uppercut. Very difficult round to score
84 pages? Jesus, I only scanned through the first couple of pages. I don't know if I have time to sit through this lo. Can anyone summarize why this has gone on for 84 pages?
I can try: In short, the debate turned into a 'Holyfield's Performances' VS 'Vitali's Stats' type of affair. So, on the one hand, it seems the majority of people think Holyfield can win a head-to-head against VK (no poll so, unconfirmed). The argument being that Holyfield faced better opposition and delivered better performances than VK. Even in his defeats to Lewis and Bowe (combined with his win over Bowe), Holyfield demonstrated that he could compete with the modern, skilled SHWs (even when he was advanced in years). An offshoot from this position is that Vitali, in his losses to Byrd and Lewis, didn't quite stack up to the prime and closer to prime versions of Bowe and Lewis, serving as an indicator as to how VK could handle himself at the Prime elite tier of the early to mid '90s. But, in response to this, Holyfield's ledger has been criticized and made out to be inferior to VK's. Regardless of this being a Prime, Head-to-Head debate, the fixation on comparing ledgers has been a persistent one, pretty much derailing the topic from roughly the early-to-midway mark. So, the usual bigging up of each man's record; the usual reasoning given for each man's losses (Bowe, Moorer for Holyfield and Byrd, Lewis for VK) and the Holyfield/Ruiz trilogy appeared to draw more attention than it deserved. IIRC, the VK/Byrd section of the thread conjured up some interesting viewpoints about how the quitting of Vitali actually played out and there was a long debate on the potential of a rematch and why it didn't come off. Mendoza also has a 10-[loaded]questions survey about Holyfield (I think), which you might want to answer (or not, as the case maybe) - I think they're repeated several times, somewhere near the middle of the deck (in the page-40-somethings). The highlight, in the case for VK's ledger (at least, for me) was the assertion that a 2010 Shannon Briggs would beat Tyson's '80s opposition, such as Berbick, Thomas, Tucker, Holmes and Spinks. Kirk Johnson was a great scalp for VK, apparently. Added to this are the numbers VK amassed, e.g. didn't lose many rounds etc. etc. - all of which perhaps have a limited application to an assessment of a Head-to-Head, but are there, nonetheless. And - a lot of other silliness in-between.
I bumped this thread hoping to get an explanation like yours in order to understand this madness. Thank you sir.
lol I am crying from laughter, classic ESB Thanks so much for the summary. 2010 Shannon Briggs beating Tucker and Thomas is hilarious. Oh God, I needed this laughter. Anyway for what its worth, I make Holyfield a slight favourite but Vitali has a huge physical advantage and I would not count him out. This certainly should not have gone 84 pages. lol.
