Floyd Mayweather vs. Joe Calzaghe, who was better/greater?

What he should have said is that Floyd never beat an ATG whilst they were prime.

 

I don't know what youre laughing at hes a hof fighter and a atg and is better than anyone pac beat. A shot erik Morales isn't as good nor is mab or jmm who he never beat clearly

 

Mab was a fighter who was seen on the decline. Canelo was seen as the next king and his fight with pbf was seen as a passing of the torch changing of the guard type of fight. Like i said awhile back the late great brother naz said this is a guy that they won't be afraid to rob him with and he was right because of that ridiculous card that was turned in.

 

Even the Welsh Italian Stallion knows Floyd is better than him pound for pound. Your boyfriend struggled with my mate rocking Robin Reid for crying out Loud.

 

i can't take you seriously with a comment like that.

 

Floyd by a country mile but they are both great, undefeated fighters.

 

is ottke a "great, undefeated fighter" too?
because he and joe fought in the same division, lived an hour apart by plane, and never fought each other...
what does that tell you about their intent?

furthermore, neither made their name in the states to earn a shot at prime hopkins and jones (who were 1 division above and below them).
if you can be "great" by not fighting key opponents then i must be assessing greatness all wrong...

 

No.

Yes, but Joe has an excellent resume, and Ottke doesn't.

Absolutely nothing. Ottke is not in Calzaghe's class. They were both right to aboid the fight for different reasons.

No.

This has got to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard. I have never heard Hopkins or Jones calling for him, so that is Joe's fault?

What is more, Jones is about the same age, so no excuses. Its not his fault Jones stopped using PEDS, or whatever.

Hopkins is a bit older, but Calzaghe was arguably in worse shape due to his multiple hand injuries.

Just no excuses, please. Hopkins and Jones lost to a better man.

 

i'm not suggesting for a minute that calzaghe wouldn't have beaten ottke. i'm sure he would have. that wasn't the point i was making.

why would jones or hopkins "call for him"?
they were P4P the two best fighters in the world, fighting on the biggest stage. it's not their job to prove how good joe is, it's joe's.
but he chose to stay with warren, which is why he never went to the US when they were in their prime.

jones being a similar age is irrelevant because he was clearly past prime. he never recovered from his trip to HW to fight ruiz, and was losing as many as he was winning when joe cherry-picked him. and that's exactly what it was.

hopkins was mid-40's. another cherry-pick.
and even though i consider the hopkins win as better than kessler, you're making excuses about joe's hands in an attempt to 'level the playing field'. floyd broke his hands multiple times too.

you can't honestly believe that beating jones and hopkins when they had already been dethroned and were losing as many as they were winning meant anything? especially jones.

i'm australian, and i don't run around saying that danny green is an ATG because he KO'd roy jones in round 1, do you?
that's because in the context of when he fought him, it meant absolutely nothing.
do you see how ridiculous that sounds to imagine it any other way?

 

then you have no point.

He got them when he could. Again, you have no point. None.

Why didn't they come to Britain? Why does that have to go one way? They could have seen that there was a champ across the pond beating multiple titlists and making a name for himself.

Becaus he was off the PEDS. Say it like it is. I have no evidence that, without chemical enhancement, he was in Joe's league.

the gaining and losing weight from PEDs cycles ruined him. Say it like it was.

So to disprove Hopkins, age matters and not his great physical condition. To disprove Jones, Physical condition matters and not his similar age.

Real, real dumb arguments. Real dumb.

This whole thing started when I said Floyd was better. What are you even going on about? Do you even know.

I have no evidence that Jones was in Joe's league without PEDS. Hopkins went on to continue a fine career. Good wins both.

I'm sorry? What are you angling for with that?

Apples to organges.

The context is that Joe beat them when he could get them to fight.

 

Are we talking about the Barrera that was coming out of the hospital with a metal plate on his head? And that his training camp was interrupt by fire?

 

Mayweather is miles ahead of Caslappy, his best win is against Kessler ffs, talk about overrated?

 

I'm a huge Calzaghe fan and always defend him here on this forum against the haters.....but no no no, Floyd is unquestionably the better fighter.