Jim Corbett vs Jack Sharkey

Accept your challenge? Please don't make us laugh. You asked for 3? I'll give you 5.

1 ) McCoy - A very good pound for pound type of fighter who could move, box, and punch. News read are impressive. Listed by RIng Magazine as one of their top 100 all time punchers.

2 ) Choynski - Ko'd Jack Johnson who had been fighting for 10+ years with 20+ known fights under his belt in 3 rounds. Know for power ( you think he's the era's hardest hitter ) and speed.

3 ) Sullivan - Corbett was the only man to defeat Sullivan, and he did it very easily. Sullivan past his best, but his power had to still be somewhat there.

4 ) Kilrain - 21-1-7 going into this fight, still in his prime

5 ) Mitchell - KO'd in 3 rounds, same a Sullivan, however, Mitchell had Sullivan down.

All five of the above men are in the boxing hall of fame just in case you didn't know. Jim Corbett also drew with Peter Jackson, who at the time they fought was certainly viewed as a top 3 heavyweight. *** Based on a detailed round by round report I read I felt Corbett was ahead the way fights are scored today as he won more rounds. Jackson won some of his rounds by a larger margin. ***

For a better view of Corbett's career, see the below link. He has more fights than you claim. If you disagree with anything, you must prove it yourself.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Corbett[/url]

Now my turn? How many boxing lists from historians from 1920-1960 have Jack Sharkey over Jim Corbett? Let's see if you can find, shall we say 3? When you answer, I'll show you more for Corbett? I prefer this type of debate, let's keep it clean.

 

Easily answered ,I posed the question.

If Corbett was so skilled and ahead of his time,how come a crude brawler like Tom Sharkey ran over him?
Perhaps YOU would like to answer that?
ps Sharkey took the name Jack because he admired Jack Dempsey.

 

Sharkey took last name after Tom. That was my point. You are mistaken, if you disagree. Ask around and you'll see.

Sharkey was a dynamic puncher who was compared to Marciano in style. He wasn't in there for style points, he was in there to land punches and go after his man. That was his style.

IMO Sharkey had a style advantage over Corbett. Some disagree and say Corbett was getting the better of the 2nd match. Sharkey got the better of other quick boxer types such as McCoy, and Choynski.

As I said before Tom Sharkey doesn't belong in this thread, and fought completely different from Jack Sharkey, who incase you didn't know lost often to journeyman types. Something Corbett never did.

Now you can answer my question at the end of post #91?

How many boxing lists from historians from 1920-1960 have Jack Sharkey over Jim Corbett? Let's see if you can find, shall we say 3? When you answer, I'll show you more for Corbett.

 

Of course he was thought of highly by historians, 70 years later. Nostalgic old-timers who had never seen him fight, but took Nat Fleischer's word for his greatness (he had Corbett at #5 all-time, ahead of Louis!).

Risko was a journeyman, who would lose to Corbett? Name another journeyman heavyweight, who beat 7 HOFers.

 

And Nat never seen him box

 

Risko is a good journeyman with a record of 64-46-6 who fought many times, often losing to the best. 46 losses! Do I really need to list the no-names?

Risko had no power, but he was a durable / hustler type, who if his opponents gassed or was not interest on that particularly night could take a decision on points. That's who he was.

Name the 7 hall of fame Heavyweights, he beat. Blow up middles or light heavies really don't quality. Yeah he beat the apathetic Max Bear Okay, and Godfrey who as they say was in some fixed fights.

Risko would not beat Corbett, and I named quote a few others who beat Sharkey.

Corbrett is highly rated across the board from 1900-1960, not just by Fleischer. Jack Sharkey is hardly rated at all by historians, at least in a top 20 format. I think that speaks volumes.

There were Corbett films and plenty of first hand testimonials you never had the privilege of hearing about or seeing that these " Nostalgic old-timers " did. I would not dismiss their opinions so quickly, and many of the fighters themselves had Corbett in high regard when he was active and during retirement. He has a place.

 

I did not start with the HOFers - you did! In post #36 you try to big up Corbett by naming the 5 HOFers he defeated. So I responded with mentioning that Risko beat 7. But apparently they don't count, since some weren't real heavies.

Ok, So how many wins does Corbett have, against HOFers who weighed above light heavy? TWO:
Sullivan
Kilrain

Risko had 6 wins against HOFers who weighed above light heavy:
Loughran x 2
Baer
Godfrey
Sharkey
Delaney

As for Corbett being held in high regard from 1900-1960... sure he was. It would be surprising if he wasn't! After all, as one of the pioneers of gloved boxing, most historians must have had a soft spot for him. Doesn't mean he would beat Sharkey, though. Regardless of first hand testimoniasls from 120 years ago, claiming he was this great, clever boxer.

 

Page after page of talk aside, the truth is Jim Corbett doesn't beat any heavyweight champion who reigned after John L. Sullivan.

Corbett fought two champs who followed him, and he got knocked out three times.

It wasn't going to get any easier as the decades moved ahead. If you watch Corbett "spar" with Tunney, that truth is crystal clear. Corbett's "scientific" style against bar room brawlers in the late 1800s may have been pioneering, but by the 1920s, it was laughable.

Jack Sharkey stops him without much trouble.

 

You said 7, not we are down to 6. How many fought Risko at 185 pounds or more? Delaney was a light heavyweight, who started I think at middle. Loughran a light heavyweight, who moonlighted at heavyweight.

That's leaves the apathetic Max Baer, a DQ riddled and fix fight alleged Godfrey, and Jack Sharkey who as I mentioned lost to several non elite types. Risko was nothing special, did you not see his ring record? Beating Jack Sharkey if the judging was good is a stain on Sharkey's record. If I were to list Risko losses, you'd go silent. Never saw this guy on film by the way, is there any?

But back to point on Jack Sharkey, he lost to many fighters he should't have, Corbett never had that happen to him, and if he fought in Sharkey's time with the rounds being 15 rounds or less, he'd probably be even better. Jack Sharkey was not a puncher, and he lost lots of decisions, IMO he's not beating Corbett who never lost a decision. Corbett UD.

If you're really interested I researched Corbett, and he has a confirmed 53-0-3 record ( I've got the dates and names ) or something very close to it if you go on news encounters prior to facing Fitzsimmons.

 

Okay!
1. McCoy was never a heavyweight and the fight may have been fixed to give Corbett the credibility to fight Jeffries.
2. Choynski was super middleweight novice.
3.Sullivan was a bloated alcoholic who had not fought for 4 1/2 years.
4.Kilrain was basically a LPR fighter who exactly of any note had he beaten before he faced Corbett ?
5.Mitchell was 165lbs, having his next to last fight.

I have Corbett's record from his own lips as told to Tommy Loughran.Your'e not even a half convincing liar!
I dont claim anything for Corbett, I have verified stats to do that for me!
If you say he had more fights give us the verified details?
The onus is on you to prove your case not me!
ps The Corbett v Jackson fight ended in a NO dec.

 

Top post!

 

This is nonsense Loughran beat Baer, Braddock, & Sharkey that's 3 heavyweight champions!
Risko beat
Baer
Delaney
Von Porat
Godfrey
Sharkey
Scott
Rojas
Campolo
Galento
Walker
Levinsky
Maloney
Loughran
Perroni
Levinsky
Griffiths
Heeney
Uzcudun
His winning record shits all over Corbett's!

 

AHEM, I asked for:

How many boxing lists from historians from 1920-1960 have Jack Sharkey over Jim Corbett? Let's see if you can find, shall we say 3? When you answer, I'll show you more for Corbett?

Is there any reason you can't reply to this? Why such a duck?

If you disagree with the Wiki Link, the onus is on you, not I. You're not going there either.

I asked for a clean debate, is that beyond you?

 

Risko beat 3 world champions Baer ,Sharkey, and Loughran.