Jim Corbett vs Jack Sharkey

How about if you post some of the many pre-1960 lists you have, where Corbett is higher than Sharkey? Then we could discuss the validity of those lists - which I'm sure, would start an interesting, friendly debate.

 

I'm waiting for the poster Mcvey to answer my question, but it he ducks out of it, as expected, sure I can add that content.

I have about 50 boxing heavyweight listed archived. I can share most of them. Some of them are on the uncommon side, and forwarded to me with a please do not share request from initial authors, but it's only a select few. For a quick preview, Corbett appears in the top ten often, Jack Sharkey never, nor does Jack Sharkey he make the top 20 cut in most cases. Could be all cases for Sharkey. I posted some suspect fights for Jack Sharkey on page 9, post #125.. Not only did he lose a lot, he was lucky to win in some cases and was floored far more than most think.

Floyd Patterson gets flames for going own 18 times. I think Sharkey could have him beat as I count he was floored 16 times, and there could be more as I need to research some of his KO losses. Patterson of course has 64 fights.

When the people who lived in the late 1880's to 1960's died out, many of those viewed highly ( Corbett ) took a tumble due to lack of film and limited knowledge.

Cheers.

 

Max Baer's list from 1959

1. Jack Dempsey
2. Gene Tunney
3. Joe Louis
4. James J Corbett
5. James J Jeffries
6. Jack Johnson
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Max Schmeling
9. John L Sullivan
10. Jack Sharkey

 

11-4-3
The 4 losses are to
Jeffries x 2 by ko
Fitzsimmons by ko
Sharkey by dsq
My source is;
The Boxing Register IBHOF Official Record Book Pages 66 & 67! LOL

 

"Jack Sharkey and Tom Heeney fought to a slashing draw last night in a 12 round match that upset the dope and left experts as well as spectators sharply divided in opinion. Apparently believing that Heeney's bull dog aggressiveness had given him the edge, the crowd of 17,000 onlookers set up a chorus of boos and jeers after the decision, but the critics' gallery at the ringside gave a majority opinion in favor of Sharkey. From the 3rd through the 7th round, Heeney kept plugging away with telling effect. He cuffed, wrestled and harried his taller, slightly heavier opponent. Heeney, unable to keep up his gruelling pace, was forced back and made a target for sharp right crosses and stiff lefts to the body in the closing five rounds. Sharkey still found difficulty in locating his mark at times and he was slow afoot, but he outboxed Heeney and landed the sharper blows." -Associated Press"

Jack Sharkey vs. Jim Maloney (3rd meeting)
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Jack Sharkey 193 lbs beat Jim Maloney 194 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

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  Date: 1925-12-11
• Location: Mechanics Building, Boston, Massachusetts, USA
• Referee: Johnny Martin

"Jack Sharkey, Brighton, won the decision from Jim Maloney of South Boston in a 10 round bout here last night. Sharkey took every round but the 3rd and 5th, and forced the fight in every round. He kept up a merciless pounding, playing mostly for the head, with now and then a stiff jab in the ribs at close quarters. By the 10th frame his mauling tactics had his opponent groggy. Maloney was on the ropes through most of the final round with the house yelling wildly for the knockout, but the bell halted hostilities before Sharkey could put over the finishing punch. Sharkey fought under the handicap of a gash over his eye which Maloney opened with a glancing jab in the 3rd round." -Associated Press


Jack Sharkey vs. Jimmy Maloney (4th meeting)
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Maloney down in the 5th round.
Jack Sharkey 192 lbs beat Jim Maloney 203 lbs by TKO at 0:52 in round 5 of 15

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  Date: 1927-05-20
• Location: Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, USA
• Referee: Lou Magnolia
• Judge: Charles F Mathison
• Judge: Tom Flynn

It appears that this show was postponed a day, as it was originally scheduled for May 19.

By virtue of this victory, Sharkey became a "serious contender" for Gene Tunney's heavyweight crown. (AP)
Purses: Sharkey-$49,228, Maloney-$49,228
Estimated gate receipts: $250,000
Video of bout: [1], Ticket image

"With a two-fisted attack which showed him a dangerous figure in the heavyweight campaign aimed at Gene Tunney's title, Jack Sharkey, last night battered his way to a TKO victory over his fellow Bostonian Jimmy Maloney in the 5th round of their battle at Yankee Stadium. Lying in wait through the early rounds, Sharkey held the bulk of his charge until the 4th round. Then he sprang with a fury that sent Maloney to the floor with a smashing right to the jaw. As Maloney bounded to his feet the bell clanged, but his head was still hazy as the 5th began. Like a tiger stalking his prey, Sharkey went in for the kill. Another knockdown for no count and a wild rush by the bleeding Maloney, then Sharkey's swinging left hook and overhand right swung Maloney off his feet. Gamely, he tried to rise but fell forward, all but senseless. At the moment, the count was finished and the referee intervened." -Associated Press
This bout sealed the deal for the Jack Dempsey vs. Jack Sharkey elimination bout, proposed to take place in late July or early August, with the winner to fight Tunney for the title in September.

They fought 4 times Sharkey won 3, Maloney 1 ,their first one, when both were green'


"Jack Sharkey, Boston heavyweight, was awarded the judges' decision at the end of his 10 round bout with Jack Renault. Renault was slow in starting and points piled up by Sharkey in the early rounds proved sufficient to give the Boston boxer the decision, which, however, was close. The Canadian heavyweight was content to stand off the attacks of Sharkey during the first four rounds. In the 5th, for the first time, he used his right to his advantage. He showed to advantage in the in-fighting in subsequent rounds. the defense of both men was good and the bout was featured chiefly by the boxing. There were no knockdowns." -Winnipeg Free Press"

• Unofficial Fitchburg Sentinel scorecard (the Free Press did not report a score) - 6-2-2 Sharkey

"Jack Sharkey projected himself back into the heavyweight picture today as the result of a close but convincing 10 round victory over young Phil Brubaker. Sharkey got up off the floor at Fenway Park last night, gave the 22 year old Brubaker an artistic boxing lesson, and promptly served notice that he's serious about making a comeback. Knocked down, cut and battered by Brubaker's first round rush, Sharkey rallied to outbox, outpunch and outpoint the California clouter. The 33 year old ex-champion, all things considered, waged one of his best fights to score an uphill victory." -Associated Press

NB Loughtan floored Sharkey with a right hand when he caught him "charging in".
Similar to Young flooring Foreman.

 

That is the list of an idiot.

 

Gene Tunney was being kind. We can watch films of that. It's embarrassing.

 

Yes, just as embarrassing as someone pretending that Tunney actually "came away impressed"

 

I wonder if some/most of the fighters who make lists could identify who the fighters on their lists are if they saw them on video? I suspect that they just throw out names and have never watched the fighters. A lot of them (after Larry Holmes) know they had better include certain names or they'll get the "Holmes treatment" from the boxing media.

 

Reminds me of some of the rationales and explanations for that the boxing writers gave for their rankings in this article:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ick-greatest-heavyweight-dempsey-wins.610014/

 

I figure you'd prefer Tommy Gibbons' list from 1953

1. James J Corbett
2. Jack Johnson
3. John L Sullivan
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Joe Louis
6. Gene Tunney
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Jim Jeffries
9. Sam Langford
10. Jess Willard

 

He must really like the letter “J“.

 

How come his record is 11-4-3? ps The Jackson fight was a no dec and Jackson was fighting with an injured ankle.

 

NB Loughran floored Sharkey with a right hand when he caught him "charging in".
Similar to Young flooring Foreman.

 

NB Loughran floored Sharkey with a right hand when he caught him "charging in".
Similar to Young flooring Foreman.

"After waiting four years, Tommy Loughran of Philadelphia, last night avenged a knockout by winning a 15 round decision over Jack Sharkey of Boston at the Phillies Ball Park. Loughran's margin was desperately close and many of the critics, counting the astonishing knockdown in the 10th merely as an incident in one round, gave Sharkey an edge over the route. But narrow and controversial, though the margin was, it was enough to count the Boston sailor out of the heavyweight picture. Sharkey opened a gash over Loughran's right eye in the 1st round with a hard left hook, and it bled intermittently throughout the bout. Loughran's darting left jab and his dancing skill kept him away from Sharkey's vicious rights, although Sharkey rallied brilliantly in the last three rounds." United Press

• Billed as Pennsylvania's first 15 round fight.
• After a "drab fight" one judge had it 7-4-4 for Loughran, the other 7-6-2 for Sharkey while the referee had it a draw (6-6-3) but, as the rules then allowed, gave his decision for Loughran. New York Times
• Although Referee John 'Spud' Murphy scored the bout a draw (6-6-3), he leaned toward Tommy because of a clean knockdown with a right hand flush to the jaw as Sharkey was charging in.
• Unofficial UP scorecard: 7-6-2 Sharkey"