Jim Corbett vs Jack Sharkey

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by 70sFan865, Aug 6, 2020.


Who would have won?

  1. Jim Corbett

    17.4%
  2. Jack Sharkey

    82.6%
  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The only reason he hypes Corbett is because he was an opponent of Jeffries ,[his hero,] and gave him problems in their first fight.
    Anyone with a lick of sense can see that Sharkey's winning resume shits all over Corbett's!
    Wills
    Godfrey
    Loughran
    De Kuh
    Christner
    Risko
    McTigue
    Delaney
    Stribling
    Maloney
    Schmeling
    Carnera
    Gorman
    Walker
    Scott
    Montgomery
    Winston
    Corbett is 11-4-3, so he won less than two thirds of his fights.
    He beat a novice Choynsky,a washed up drunk Sullivan,165lbs Mitchell having his 2nd to last fight ,McCaffrey and Kilrain,2 guys from the LPR era that preceded him.
    Renault
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Kilrain fought 2 bareknuckle contests, and over 40 gloved ones.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What are his three best wins?
    Ditto Mitchell?
    Ditto McCaffrey?

    ps CBZ lists 41 fights in total. Wikipeadia 37
    How many men ,over 175lbs did Corbett actually beat?


    McCaffrey hadnt fought for 2 years when he faced Corbett ,in his last fight he had been beaten by middleweight Jack Dempsey.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Imagine running a marathon in withering heat, and being offered whiskey at, say, Mile 18. You'd decline, I hope—but Kilrain and Sullivan didn't. Before the 44th round, Sullivan, who had just had some whiskey mixed with tea, began vomiting in the center of the ring. Kilrain, who by now was in desperate straits, with little chance of beating Sullivan outright, asked the champion if he wished to quit. "No, you loafer!" John L. roared back, and he recovered quickly. Meantime, Kilrain drank whiskey steadily throughout the latter part of the battle, by some accounts consuming up to a quart in little sips.
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Callis,Cox ,and Sugar are peddlers of nonsense.imo
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Amen.
     
  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Apparently, John L only threw up the tea, holding the whiskey down!
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The H3LL I would.

    Never turn down fine strong waters.
     
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  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Then there is ultramarathon running!
     
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  10. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know how Burns could tell what most people did way back then.

    As for the water table, you accessed it with something called a well, which is not exactly a new creation. If you don't live in a desert, you probably have water not that far beneath the surface.

    "A well is an excavation created in the ground by digging. The oldest and most common kind of well is a water well, to access ground water. The well water is drawn up by a pump, or using containers, such as buckets, that are raised by hand."

    "Wells were first constructed at least eight thousand years ago."

    "Wells have traditionally been sunk by hand digging. These wells are inexpensive as they are dug by manual labor, and the structure can be lined with wood or stone or brick as the excavation proceeds."

    I'm an octogenarian and grow up on a farm, and not only our farm, but all farms in the area, relied on water from wells. The water was brought up by a windmill. I assume even modern farms probably rely on well water, although now mostly with electrical pumps. With most people living on farms back in the 19th century, I must wonder if the water was unfit to drink, how did the animals live? Horses, cattle, etc. I don't think they were drinking alcohol. Also, alcohol is expensive. Even if you make it yourself you have to have corn or grain or something to use as the base.

    The deeper the well, the cleaner the water. Most wells were apparently 18 to 60 feet deep.

    As for how they found water, I am certain they knew how, and I can't see anybody wanting to live or farm in any area where you couldn't reach water easily.

    I don't know about the 19th century boxers drinking nothing but alcohol, but if they did, I don't think it was absolutely necessary.

    There certainly was heavy boozing in the 19th century which led to the prohibition movement starting in the 1850's. But with counties and whole states banning alcohol, there obviously were people who didn't drink.
     
  11. mcvey

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    How was he past his best when he lost to Fitzsimmons, he was just 30 years old,[Fitz was33,] and had fought Sharkey just 9 months earlier. He was 184lbs for Fitz and Mitchell, a lb lighter than he was for the Jackson fight!
    Corbett doesn't have lots of defeats ? He doesnt have loads of wins either! He only had 18 fights, but he managed to lose 4 of those!
    No fighter of his time was fitter than Fitzsimmons, he would run miles behind a trotting sulky
     
  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you're trying to do this again? :D
    Corbett can't touch Fitzsimmons at any weight, let alone P4P.
    Corbett is the father of nothing, there were better boxers before and after him.
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Burns is a lauded documentarian anyone think he wouldnt undertake exhaustive research before making statements?
     
  14. Mendoza

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    IMO all three know far more than you. We all know you'll quote them when its convenient for you agenda....just wait
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Although you were speaking to Ghul, Corbett is created for being the modern father of boxing and an innovator. He transformed the game bring lateral mobility, defense, and by setting up his punches. References are numerous:

    " He has been called the "Father of Modern Boxing" because of his scientific approach and innovations in technique. "

    [url]https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/James_J._Corbett[/url]


    "Claimed to have invented the left hook punch.
    Generally considered the first scientific fighter because he used his speed and knowledge of his opponent's strengths and weaknesses to develop a strategy for a fight rather than brawn and volume of punches. "

    [url]https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0179163/bio[/url]

    James John Corbett has been called the "Father of Modern Boxing" because of [url]his innovations[/url] that changed prizefighting from a brawl to a scientific art-form.

    [url]https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/James_J._Corbett[/url]

    >> Since you'll get it, I leave it at that.