the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Jones Jr vs Hopkins.

The first 7 rounds are all the same thing. Hopkins tries to pin Jones behind his jab, get himself into range and then get his shots off. The problem is Jones is just too quick. Jones doesn't have the success with his leaping hook, but jabs and arm punches mean he comfortably outland Hopkins every round. Hopkins never really pushes the pace, he sticks to his losing strategy. These 7 rounds remind me of a game of chess where someone loses a pawn early on and try as they might they can't quite ever make it back up.

The commentators mention how Jones avoids the jab by leaning back and to date only Ali has been able to get away with it, but it reminds me of Fitzsimmons also.

Also the commentary really rip into Bowe for facing Ferguson. They reckon its the worst title defence in history lol.

Round 8 is a bit of a different story, Hopkins finally gets himself in range and lands a series of right hands over the top that bother Jones. I'm not fully sure Hopkins deserves this round but he's getting it. 7-1 Jones

Round 9 Hopkins comes out more confidently and a bit more aggressive, he thinks he's figured Jones out and it willing to now force the action, but this just means Jones gets a chance to shine, he works Hopkins to the body, gets out of range and is able to pick his shots very effectively. 8-1 Jones.

Round 10 is the best round by Jones so far imo. His leaping hooks are sinking in, as Hopkins moves in Jones throws his shoe shine hook combinations. Jones is able to snipe every time Hopkins tried setting his feet. Hopkins looks like he felt some of those big shots as well.

Round 11 and 12 ,this looks like the Hopkins we became accustomed to seeing. Active, coming in behind his head, working the body, slipping and following the right hand in. Jones lands some good shots but I think overall Hopkins does the better work here. Its a shame it has taken him so long to get going. Hopkins looks to be unsettling the rhythm of Jones here. History tells us Hopkins has the conditioning to keep this kind of fight going for the full 12, a rematch would have been interesting.

9-3 or 117-111 to Jones Jr.

 

Jones Jr vs Tate.

It's interesting, despite dominating the first round Jones doesn't get an awful lot of credit by the commentary.

They go on about how he lost the last two rounds to Hopkins, potentially has cardio issues.

They say Tate can take his power and is about to present Jones with problems down the stretch.

But then round 2 starts and the leaping left hook ends affairs immediately. The commentary seem shocked, its amazing the thought of not knowing Jones is a master at the leaping left hook.

His feet are all over the place as he throws it, but the power is brutally there.

Excellent win.

 

Toney vs Jones Jr

The build up for this is really good actually. They try to draw parallels with Jones Jr and Leonard in terms of style, Leonard has none of it he says how good Jones is with the hook and getting in and out of range.

Then there's a really cool montage of MW bouts throughout the year, shows some pictures of Greb vs Walker, some footage of Zale vs Graziano and some footage of Ketchel and klaus.

The commentary then absolutely rip into Jones saying right now he's basically a fraud, is refusing to fight top competition, won't engage with any top middleweights and they don't know how true his talent actually is. But they caveat that by accepting he's moving up in weight to face Toney, although they say Toney is having a lot of issues with weight so they don't seem too impressed. Toney has put over a stone back on and had to lose 40 pounds in camp.

There's absolutely zero mention of P4P here in the buildup. But they concede its a 50/50 fight depending on how good Jones truly is.

The fight itself is a bit more entertaining than I remember. Toney has zero urgency at any point, but Jones does try to put on a show and wants to open Toney up.

Toney gets dropped and survives, that's basically it.

This time I have no sympathy rounds.

120-107 to Jones

 

Jones Jr vs Thornton

This is basically a re run of the Tate fight. Jones lands anything he wants, whenever he wants until his opponent crumbles.

 

Jones Jr vs Griffin

First round Jones doesn't do anything of note really. Griffin pressures well behind the jab and works Jones up against the ropes. 1-0 Griffin

Round 2 is another good round for Griffin. Hes making Jones miss, backing him up and lands some tasty left hooks as well. 2-0 Griffin

Griffin has started this fight very Archie Moore esque. He's been slowly pressing him, trying to look for counter opportunities. A good blend of timing and pressure boxing.

Round 3, somehow Griffin is winning the jabbing exchanges despite being much shorter with a much shorter reach. Griffin again gets through with the left hook and again is able to drive him back to the ropes. 3-0 Griffin.

Round 4 starts a bit more cautiously, but Griffin is proving here that timing kills speed. Jones is just missing from range whilst Griffin is backing Jones up and scoring up close. Griffin really is fighting a perfect fight here. 4-0 Griffin.

Round 5 sees Jones start to get off a bit more now. Griffin seems to have slowed just a tad and Jones lands the cleaner work. 4-1 Griffin.

Round 6 the pace has dramatically increased here. Jones senses he needs to be doing something big so starts forcing the action. Griffin tries to meet fire with fire to slow Jones down again but Jone is definitely coming off the better o it if the exchanges now. 4-2 Griffin

Round 7 was a very close round, but Jones scores a dubious knockdown so it's actually an easy one to score. 4-3 Griffin.

Round 8 is a good round for Griffin who shows no ill effects from the dubious knockdown. Griffin can't seem to miss with the left hook. He's started to really mark Jones up now as well. Jones just doesn't seem to have enough room to stay away from Montell. 5-3 Griffin.

Round 9 Griffin is having more success but Jones lands a good left hook as Griffin comes inside to back him up, Griffin shakes it off and gets back to work. Griffin doesn't quite slip a right hand it rocks him to the core, Jones is chasing him around the ring, the round is coming to an end and Griffin takes a knee, as he's down Jones hits him, blatantly.

DQ to Griffin.

Jones looks very, very beatable on this fight. I think there's every chance Griffin sees out the ring and gets a points victory had Jones not hit him when down.

75-75 at the time of the DQ.

 

Trainer vs Manager dispute about money. Futch wasn't happy, Griffin sides with his manager.

Futch is shown the door.

Griffin is hurt by the first punch Jones throws. he knocks him down with the second hook he throws. Griffin settles back into it again but Jones tries walking through Griffin to prove he is a class above. The technical start we saw last time out isn't being followed here. Griffin tries to re establish his jab but Jones is still able to get through with his left hooks.

As Griffin crouches Jones times him perfectly and near decapitated Griffin.

 

I was gonna watch some Glen Johnson and Gennady Golovkin. But I cba with the first name and I remember the fights of the 2nd too well to rewatch them.

Gonna watch some Dick Tiger next.

 

I watched Frank Bruno v Carl 'The Truth' Williams today and it was an OK heavyweight fight. This wasn't the same Williams who was duking it out with Larry Holmes a number of years earlier, but he still gave Bruno some exercise. No use running a card here. I gave Williams the 3rd round and a share of the 6th. The other seven to Bruno for an 89-83 scorecard through 9 completed rounds until Frank lowered the boom in the 10th. Not sure if the 10 point system was employed or the British scoring. I know Bruno fought his previous fight against Coetzer with a 10 point scoring, so I went with that. I should mention - although I've seen a good number of Bruno's bouts - how amazed I was at how dirty he fought, which wasn't necessary against this version of opponent. From the first round it was holding and hitting, rabbit punching, low blows and use of the forearm, while referee Dave Parris barely threw out a few cautions. Bruno was better than that and British refereeing was better than that.

 

British refereeing is fine if it’s Brit vs.Brit but otherwise it’s almost always rubbish ... whatever the homeland lad needs is how it goes.

It’s been ages since I’ve seen the old UK scoring system with half points and can’t for the life of me remember how that worked. Can you offer a refresher?

 

Pat, I am certainly no expert or even well-versed in the British scoring system, although I would love to learn. At one time they were using a 5-4 3/4 points spread for the winner and loser of a round. This system was used in fights like Saldivar v Winstone II and Frazier v Bugner. Later I see it possibly morphed into a 10-9 1/2 point spread for winner and loser of a round like Rosario v Randall I. But again, I'm not sure. And if one of our British friends here can elaborate for us, we'd be all the better for it.

 

James Toney vs. Mike McCallum I on Dec. 13, 1991, from the Convention Hall in Atlantic City, NJ, for Toney’s IBF middleweight championship.

Tony, 25, was 28-0-1 (20) and weighed 159. McCallum, 34, was 42-1 (34) and weighed 157 3/4.

This was really, basically, a unification fight except that the WBA stripped McCallum of their strap because his side balked after agreeing to step-aside money to make Steve Collins wait and then the WBA stepping in at the last minute to up the ante and try to force McCallum to pay an even higher premium.

(Collins, for his part, contested for the vacated crown in April of 1992 and lost to Reggie Johnson for his trouble. Julian Jackson was the WBC champ at this time.)

Round/Toney/McCallum

1. 9-10

2. 10-9

3. 10-9

4. 9-10

5. 10-9

6. 10-9

7. 9-10

8. 9-10

9. 9-10

10. 10-9

11. 9-10

12. 10-9

My card: 114-114

Official cards: 115-113 McCallum, 115-112 Toney, 114-114 even

Split draw.

This is the Sweet Science at its finest. McCallum is so crafty and works that jab and those subtle body punches so well. Toney lands the bigger shots and does most of what damage was done but isn’t quite as consistent.

There are four to six rounds in this fight that you can easily argue either way depending on what you like. It’s just a marvelous display of skill.

BTW, the commentary on this TVKO PPV bout is pretty lousy — it’s one of the Goosens (Joe?) and Marvelous Marvin Hagler and a play-by-play guy (Len Berman, not sure) and they spend half the fight talking about how McCallum is breathing hard and failing to notice it’s because he’s out-working Toney — James fights in spurts and whether his mouth is open or not (as McCallum’s was) if he’s not punching I don’t see why it matters that the other guy ‘looks’ tired.

Also of note, this bout drew a crowd of just 4,308 for what was billed (up until the last minute) as a middleweight title unification. Sad.

If you haven’t seen their trilogy, I urge to you watch it. If you have, watch it again. (G)

 

Needed a good old toe-to-toe today to clear the head and I alighted on Felix Trinidad v Ricardo Mayorga. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 2: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 3: 10-8 Mayorga (scores a flash knockdown)
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-8 Trinidad (dishes out a battering)
Round 6: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 7: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 8: Tito drops Mayorga 3 times and the fight is stopped

Total (through 7 completed rounds): 67-65 Trinidad (actual scores: 68-64, 68-64 and 67-64 all for Trinidad)

A terrific old barn-burner was just the ticket today. Both landed their shots but Tito's were more precise and wicked. Loved it. BTW, the knockdown scored by Mayorga may have been official, but it was more of a Trinidad glove touching down steadying himself. But it is what it is.

 

Scar, I had it pretty similar. Although I never scored a round even. I thought it was more of a beating than a slugfest, but I don't like Mayorga, so it was just as entertaining to me. I thought Tito looked as sharp as he did vs Joppy IMO which is amazing considering his long lay off.

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