Jim Corbett vs Jack Sharkey

Sharkey on points. Jack was unpredictable but with his mind on the job in hand, he gets a points win over Jim.

 

Mendoza used the exact same argument when it was pointed out to him that Johnson was in front on the scoring after 20 rounds against Willard!

 

A historian is a person who studies and writes about the past and is regarded as an authority on it. For boxing none of them felt Sharkey was better the Correct from 1940-1975 in a published list. Aren't you supposed to show me those who felt Sharkey was greater. Still waiting...

 

Completely different fight with different tactics! If you read, Willard corner's was telling him to pace himself as there was 45 ROUNDS in Johnson Vs Willard. Re-read that twice! Had Willard know there were only 25 or 20 rounds, his pace picks up a bit sooner. That is my argument, and the shown rounds which if I recall you declined to score with me are close with Willard winning his share.

If you watch the films, as we know you seldom do, Fitz just could not catch up to Corbett , but certainly tried, hence I feel Corbett would have won in 12 rounds if it was scheduled for 12 rounds. We can see it, there isn't speculation, and Corbett is the better in just about every round, plus had a knockdown.

 

Produce one single post in which I said Choynski was the hardest hitter.You wont because it never occurred and you are flat out lying when you say I did. - Mcvey

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Johnson,Corbett,Fitz, and Sharkey also named Choynski as the hardest hitter they faced,pretty compelling testimony.

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During an interview in 1940, Hall of Famer Jack Johnson reminisced about the hardest punchers he faced.
"Jeffries No. 1? No, sir. Give me Joe Choynski anytime. I faced both and should know. Jefferies had a powerful wallop, but Choynski had a paralyzing punch. His left hand was a corker. He was the hardest puncher in the last 50 years, with Joe Walcott a close second. I think his left hook was even more effective than either Dempseys."
A review of Johnson's record shows that Choynski is the only man to knock out the former champ besides Jess Willard.
Corbett was no less laudatory, "Little Joe was the hardest hitter I ever tangled with. To this day I can't figure out how a runt like him could hurt so damned bad."
Choynski gave Jeffries an unceremonious welcome to the upper echelons of the divisions. During their grueling 20-round bout on Nov. 30, 1897 in San Francisco, he nailed the future champ with a left hook to the mouth that broke clean through his lower lip, leaving his teeth exposed. Jefferies later said it was the hardest he'd ever been hit."

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Everybody who contributes to this forum is both studying and writing about boxing... and have access to much more information (internet/YouTube) than the 1940-1975 group of historians.

Does the one-sidedness of the poll not tell you something - or doesn't it matter at all?

 

Regarded by whom? I'm supposed to show you nothing, apart from highlighting your deliberate lies.

 

Nowhere in that post do I SAY Choynski was the hardest hitter.
They are verified quotes by those named NOT BY ME ! How ****ing stupid are you?

 

You got caught reversing your opinion to suit your agenda its a recurring theme.
ps Got anymore hate pm's to send me?

 

There are guys on this forum that have seen more of these fighters , and read more about them, than those ranking them 70/80 years ago.

 

The best of his times he lost to.
Jeffries, Fitz, Sharkey.The first two ko'd him, and Sharkey was on the verge of doing the same when Corbett's second jumped into the ring to save him from the ko.
Corbett's best wins are over
Mitchell, a super middle who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years.
McCoy, a super middle/lhvy*.May have been a fix
McCaffrey a middle/super middle who hadn't fought in 2 years.
Sullivan a bloated alcoholic, 34 years old has been, who hadn't fought for 3 1/2years and it took him 21 rds to do it!
Kilrain whose only wins of note are over the significantly smaller Godfrey.
You want to talk about Sharkey being floored?
He had 53 fights and was stopped 4 times.
1 Carnera ,I think he took a dive.
2 Dempsey,all time puncher.
3 Louis ,all time puncher,Sharkey was washed up.
4 Rojas ko'd the 21 years old 188lbs Sharkey,who had 9 fights on his record. Rojas was the 5th ranked heavyweight.

 

No he wasn't. The reports are all over the place, but Corbett was doing better as the fight went on.

 

No fool, you just don't understand the pace between 12 rounds, 20-25 rounds and 45 rounds. It is you who was exposed hyping Choynski's power, and quoting others taking him out of context.

 

While this is true, you might as well be talking to a wall. The poster Mcvey will have none of it!

 

"the average American"

The actual stats are my post directly above. But 1830 is not the last part of the 19th century and alcohol consumption declined severely. It seems to have gone from 7.1 gallons in 1830 to 2.5 gallons in 1900. It is about 2.3 gallons today.

But what I disagreed about was the water bit that you brought in, using Burns as a source. Actually in the first third of his documentary on Prohibition, "A Nation of Drunkards" which I just re-watched, Burns mentions water once. It is related that 19th century temperance leader Frances Willard led a movement to have water fountains available in towns so thirsty men would not have to go to saloons.

A sort of anthem for the temperance movement was a song called "The Old Oaken Bucket" which celebrated drinking well water brought up with the title bucket.

As for boxers drinking alcohol, it certainly happened, but I don't know about most fights, or any Corbett took part in. In his fight with Kilrain, Adam Pollock says Sullivan was given some whiskey before the 44th round which caused him to vomit. Nothing was said about Sullivan ever drinking alcohol again. Why would he if he vomited? Mike Donovan stated that Kilrain drank a lot of alcohol over the second half of the fight. Donovan believed that this allowed him to continue with the finish fight.

Why did boxers drink alcohol during fights? Not because safe water wasn't available, but because alcohol dulled the pain from injuries, which apparently was believed by some to allow a man to last longer when hurting.

As for the subject of this thread, I think boxing progressed a great deal from the 1890's to the 1920's. That said, Corbett looks very quick moving around the ring on the limited film we have. Sharkey looks pretty bad on film at times, such as his mediocre effort against Tom Heeney. I pick Sharkey, but this is not an out fight. I can see Corbett proving too fast for Sharkey over a ten round or fifteen round fight, and I'm not sure Sharkey has the punch Fitz or Jeff had to turn it around.

All this with the caveat that it is difficult to judge quickness off these jerky old hand-cranked films.