Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali?

Wow. Never ever before saw this fantasy Match!! You are Einstein

 

Tyson never fought a 15 rounder, so pretty brilliant to set this to 15....

With 12 rounds: Ali´s not finishing Tyson, while Ali himself could hover on his legs. Imho this one would go to the scorecards. Another thing to keep in mind: Ali often stopped hovering after the second half of the fight.

There was an article with Rooney out there if Ali was their opponent (long time after he was Mikes trainer). Anyone knows where to find this and what he had to say?

 

Mark, when are you going to learn its not all about who hits the hardest? Sure Ruddock may have hit harder with one punch, many fighters could hit harder than Ali with one punch.
But timing, speed, the ability to get from point A to point B , punches landed from surprising angles, ko punches that came after or in the middle of a combination of punches designed to blind or hide the punch from the opponent a spit second before the ko punch is thrown.
The reason why Ruddock couldn't seriously hurt Tyson is because he "showed his hand" by loading up his "Smash" giving Tyson that millisecond to ride the punch or avoid it all together. Ruddock was very predictable in the ring, and most well schooled fighters in their primes wouldn't have a problem avoiding his Smash if they had any serious talent at all.
Theirs a bunch of great fighters that weren't considered devastating punchers but had a career filled with KO'S.
Power is only good if you can land it. Theirs a even bigger list of devastating punchers that didn't amount to much, other than a bunch of weekend highlights over inferior opposition.
Get over your "size" and " power" fetish please.
As for the fight between a prime Ali ( 1965-68) and prime Tyson ( 1985-88) Ali wins convincingly in my opinion after the 1st 4-5rds.
1st reason well before the 1st punch is thrown, Ali's mind games would've completely discombobulated Tysons fragile mind. 2nd, Tyson never faced an opponent with the unique skill set Ali possessed, Especially at that point in his career. Ali's movement, jab, height and reach would be able to keep him for the most part safe from Tyson's rage thrown punches . Ali would fluster Tyson worse than he did Foreman, and he would tire himself trying to knock Ali across the country trying to prove a point.
What's hardly talked about is how strong physically Ali was, his stregnth would Allow him to control Tyson by holding him until the ref broke them up, that's if he got close enough to Ali to force him to use that tactic.
By the 5th rd Tysons rage would turn into fear. Because the big mouth that has tortured him emotionally for the past 6 months is still their talking crap to him. His offense would become predictable, more one punch at a time.
By the 7th or 8th rd, Ali would began to take Tyson into deep water, he'd become less mobile to get extra sting on his punches. Tysons never had to deal with a fighter capable of landing right leads on him. Ali could.
By the 9th rd, Ali would be clearly in control of the fight because of Tysons passiveness, the doubt that began to manifest in his mind around the 5th rd, would become a roar at this time. And Ali? He'd know he has that sucker right where he wants him.
Tyson may be able to finish the fight if its a 12 rounder, Ali's would win a clear cut dec.
Anything over 12rds, Ali stops Tyson, if fighters like Douglas or Holyfield could put Tyson on his ass, I'm sure Ali would too.
But the caveat is Tyson may intentionally get himself DQ'ed because who he is on the inside would began to control him. Thiers a good possibility this could happen. Biting ears, breaking arms, eating kids, all the signs of a bully. He could football tackle Ali to keep him still lol, get himself DQ'ed.

 

I would say that Tyson was faster and more accurate than Foreman and Shavers and that the Liston Ali fought was well over the hill. Does that mean he beats Ali? I don't think so, but I do think he'd have more of a chance than those three because of how he fought and his explosiveness.

 

He took harder punches off Ruddock than Holyfield and Douglas could throw too.

Foreman took harder punches off guys than Ali could throw. How did that work out?

 

For me Tyson wasn`t even in his prime when he fought Ruddock, I only pointeed to that fight to show that unless they were fighting in the heat of Zaire that Ali could not knock a Rooney trained Tyson out and Rooney wasn`t even in Mike`s corner by the time he met Ruddock, Tyson was all over the place v Holy which is why Holy could hit him with so many shots, Ali would not have stood and traded with Mike and would throw mostly jabs, if Ali tried the rope a dope on Mike he would have been destroyed once prime Mike had you on the ropes he was a master at getting through high held hands. Tyson was unprepared v Douglas and still took a long beating with one of swollen.

 

You`re describing Tyson

 

I favor Ali also, but you are confusing late Tyson with his prime.
He did not have such limited endurance then. When he did not get guys out early he could beat them over the distance even with their constant holding (Bonehugger, Green).
Saying Ali knocks him out cold is laughably biased man come on.

Ruddock a LHW?!? Are you on heavy hallucinogenic drugs?
He was 6' 3" & ran ~ 238 lbs. as against Tyson 2. An 82" reach, overall muscle & bulk way more than Ali...
If Ruddock with his 15" forearms was a LHW, what was Ali, a WW?

Please atone for the more outrageous claims like those last two, if you want anyone to believe you on other matters!

 

Sure Tyson had those abilities. But I was countering YOUR argument on Ruddock. I'm sure you know that........ Right?

 

Tyson gets underrated by many in here but you've definitely drank the cool aid Mark.

 

Hey man I am not confusing because Tyson was nothing special and dangerous as guys Ali faced and fought in the wealest era of 80s!
He did have very poor endurance and stamina and was gassed against all of them and just hug late.
Tucker gassed him and Tyson almost collapsed after fight and Tucker was bum but the better one than you mentioned.
Mitch who?Average contender who had 19th professional fight when faced Tyson and had more losses on his record than wins(Tyson/ Berbick and also lost against bums).
Bonecrusher?Started boxing at 28 years old and was beaten by god damn Marvis Frazier says everything about how good he was....and those bums should prove that Tyson would beat Ali?
Again Tyson struggled with Tillis/Tucker.If that was 12/15 round Tillis would wear him doen and Tucker would too plus if Tucker didn't had broken hand would finish what he started.

It is pssible 100% and would happened after 12/15 rounds.
Didn't Lewis knocked him cold?Did old washed Holyfjeld almost knocked him cold and bum Douglas also knocked him cold?
None of them are on Ali level except maybe Lewis but that is big if.Buster was bum and Evander was washed cruiser!
Ali would knock him down because he knocked Bonavena/Foreman/Liston who had iron chin unlike Tyson.

Only on drugs here is you.
Ruddock was 189lb LHW and lost against LHW bum David Jaco whom Morrison/Foreman knocked in round 1.
Ruddock was LHW until he started roids.
As an amateur boxer, Ruddock had a win over Lennox Lewis in March 1980 in Toronto at the Ontario Junior Boxing Championship, winning via a split decision (3:2) in the 75 kg weight class (165 lbs).[5] He turned pro in 1982, but his career started slowly, having only 11 fights between 1982 and 1985. He won eight of his first nine fights, but drew his fifth. More controversy would follow in April 1985 when he lost to journeyman David Jaco, who would be KO'd by a young Mike Tyson the next year.
Ruddock was barely 200lb for Jaco fight.

 

I see plenty KO'ing him.
Frazier knocked down Ali, while the 3 you mentioned didn't. Frazier did not hit harder than them, but he could land his power shots better
Foreman Shavers and Lyle were nowhere near as skilled and fast as Tyson. It's not just about punching power, but about being able to utilize it effectively.
Tyson wins by KO

 

He picked Mike to beat Ali.

 

Everything you wrote here is true. But look at the years. Pre 1964 than after his return from exile.
Ali's prime yrs were 1965 to 1968 (The time he was allowed to fight) and we don't know how long his prime would've last , but I guess it may have gone through 1969, simply because he was almost untouchable during this period, and was simply overwhelming his competition .
And IF were talking Ali vs Tyson prime vs prime, this is the time that should be focused on .