the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. The only thing I thought was off a bit on Tito was his timing early, but he grew into it as the fight progressed. But the shots when landing were just as sweet as if he had never laid off.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Yohnny Perez MD12 Abner Mares

    Big, big fight this at the time, both unbeaten, both fresh, kind of pals, all that good stuff. For some weird reason I remember Perez as some sort of giant, but he's actually just a little tall for the weight. Mares backs up gently in the first and looks to outspeed Perez; it goes well. He's beating him to all the punches here early, especially the jab. Perez looks unintimidated and looks for the body. In fact, he looks to have tamed that speed-demon a bit in the second - pressure to the ropes, body attack continuation and short sharp punches that are sound. So you have your statements, let's see who does what.

    I get the feeling that Perez is holding the Mares shots better than Mares is holding the Perez shots. Mares is introduces the uppercut though in the third - I think he wins the round with that tpunch, you actually see Perez with his back to the ropes. Very, very, very good fight. Mares was throwing punches in stalled combinations of 8 and 9 at the end of the round there. Perez comes out very aggressively for the fourth, this is great. Back to those unrehearsed looking short hooks and half straights, he's just trying to match the Mares volume, manages it too, but Mares comes back scoring with right hands, both of them turn Perez's head, now here comes Mares. Then Perez comes back at him - Perez is busier and bags the round on the basis of what occurred in the first minute. There's no time to rest in this fight.

    Perez marching down Mares a bit now, Mares careful to hold his ground though so it doesn't turn into a stalk, happy to battle Perez in stages. Perez takes a very close fifth on the aggression fo me though. Mares looks like the better man in the second half of the sixth though, and I give a close one the other way there. I dunno though, I just feel like Perez is going to generate the momentum from here on in. Mares has the volume though. Abscence of jabs is mad, I suppose because they're not contesting distance outside Mares moving, it doesn't matter. So Mares moves, waits for the angle to be right and then throws in volume. Perez meanwhile is trying to time Mares holding his feet. Neither calls for a jab in the normal way. Perez dropping his hands now, making the point to the crowd and the judges - he won't fight me.

    Good ninth for Mars though, busy, holding the line again, half-feinting with the jab to set up the right. I have it even after 10; can't see any way in which this comes out anything but a draw the way they been yo-yoing. Mares landed a BIG punch in the tenth though, a winging hook, and it might just be enough to get him across the line if Perez doesn't recover. Lead right hand double left hook - up and down - from Mares in the eleventh is too delicious.

    Ooooft twelfth is close, right up to the final twenty seconds. Mares gets too much done with the left hook. Mares feels like the winner for me.

    Mares:1,3,6,9,10,11,12
    Perez:2,4,5,7,8,

    115-113 Mares.

    Absolutely superb fight between two top contenders.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Abner Mares SD12 Vic Darchinyan

    Another fight where it all happened.

    First round is a bust; Vic wants to look, Mares is also waiting, Vic scores with a couple of straight lefts, the punch he wants to land with, Mares lands one big combo and flurry to the body; I mean scoring it is very hard, I guess I'll drop it on Vic for landing the harder punch. No question about who wins the second though. Vic, who has been perched back over his backfoot and prodding with his jab, suddenly unleashes a wide straight left while square, Mares is dropped to his haunches - Mares round goes to Vic. Mares is also cut from a headclash in the first. A real test for Mares' temperament here.

    Mares staying busy on the inside but is warned for low blows, poaches the round though. It has a feel of a fight where Mares will win rounds that are basically incident-free but that it may be incident-packed because Vic is going to come on late, that's clear. Mares is in trouble with that cut, looks grim. In the fourth, Mares appears pretty dominant but is warned again for low blows - that's twice now and when he lands low blows for a third time he has a point taken away, correctly. Mares has to watch the bodywork now, which is likely the bigger problem.

    Vic is now just trying to hover and feint, just out of reach then just in reach, trying to make Mares tentative or bring him onto something chubby. Mares continues undisturbed and introduces his uppercut for the first time, key punch for him, either hand. Vic is warned for stiff-arming hahahaha don't see that often. Vic, bizarrely, is now boxing and moving but with single hard shots, strange brew. Mares is hitting him with left hooks, Mares lands low on the blindside, Vic is warned for holding...fight is crazy. After just kicking the **** out of Vic in the sixth, Mares swallows the biggest punch fo the fight, a straight left from Vic, the punch he's been looking for all fight - Mares is undisturbed. I'd suggest the fight is over in that moment, but for the cut. In the seventh, Mares underlines his dominance with

    The entire press row has it for Darchinyan :lol: So what do I know. I bet these straight lefts look a lot harder at ringside. In the seventh though, Vic gets spilled badly with a booming left hook that catches him off balance - may have been a cluttered feet job, will have to wait for the replay. Vic was unbalanced and glanced him with a jab, call it either way that KD.

    Mares sweeps home for me - not a close fight on my card, though commentary seemed to think so. I saw the rounds close, but Mares looks a clear winner in most of them, clearly, absolutely clearly on aggression and volume thrown and landed. Like I say, maybe those Vic straight lefts look harder from ringside - I will tell you they don't trouble Mares. That's beyond dispute. Even the KD was a flash.

    Mares:3,4^,5,6,7+,9,10,11,12.
    Darchinyan:1,2*,8.

    *Mares down
    ^Mares has a point taken off for low blows
    +Darchinyan down

    115-110 Mares

    Official: 115-111, 113-112, 111-115.
     
  4. Jel

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    Thanks @scartissue and @George Crowcroft for the reminder of this fight.

    Good memories. I remember watching this live (at 4am or whatever it was back in the UK - used to do that all the time) and being so happy to see Tito back and looking great too. With hindsight, it's clear that Mayorga was made to measure for Trinidad - a guy that didn't move, too brave for his own good and willing to take a few to give a few. Nonetheless, this along with Tszyu's return felt like the good guys were winning - a couple of tremendous champions back for another go at it. Unfortunately, like Tszyu, this was more like a last hurrah for Trinidad.

    Still, fun to watch again.

    1 10-9 (crazy first round. Mayorga starts very well and Trinidad is a bit cagey before Mayorga openly goads Trinidad and asks him to hit him - Tito duly obliges and has Mayorga rocking by the end of the round.)
    2 10-9
    3 8-10 (the lightest of touchdowns by Trinidad but it counts - good round overall from Mayorga)
    4 10-9
    5 10-8 (Tito gives Mayorga a thorough beatdown. Mayorga may not have gone down but it was one-sided enough to make a two point round)
    6 10-9 (blow below the beltline from Trinidad, almost on Mayorga's hip. He recovers and throws a bucketload at Trinidad just before the bell)
    7 10-9 (Another late volley from Mayorga but still Trinidad's round)
    (68-63)
    8 Trinidad TKO Mayorga
     
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    Frank Fletcher v Tony Braxton 3

    Gruelling fight with the relentless Fletcher outhustling the tough Braxton.

    Round 9 looked like it might start swinging things Braxton's way but Fletcher finished strongly.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9 (Fletcher outworking Braxton)
    3 10-9 (close)
    4 9-10 (close)
    5 10-10
    6 9-10 (close)
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    9 9-10 (Braxton rocks Fletcher)
    10 9-10 (close)
    11 10-9
    12 10-9
    Fletcher 116-113 Braxton
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    You got a vid link? I wanted to watch this one a while back and couldn't find it.
     
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  8. Jel

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    Somsak Sithchatchawal v Mahyar Monshipour

    This fight was too hard. The relentless inhuman levels of punishment both these fighters endured left you in no doubt that one or both of them would leave the ring physically altered and forever changed.

    Monshipour lead with his face, square on, presenting a bigger target than necessary. Sithchatchawal, for his part, tried to box but had to slug his way out more often than not. No matter how many times Monshipour put Somsak in trouble though, you could tell that the Thai just had that extra bit on his punches and that it would prove decisive in the long run.

    Watching this was exhausting so competing in it must have been unimaginably brutal. The Rocky movies didn't have **** on this fight.

    1 10-7
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 9-10 (close)
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 9-10
    7 10-9
    8 9-10
    9 10-10 (incredible)
    (86-84)
    10 Sithchatchawal TKO Monshipour
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    This sadly, is very true. Monshipour retired immediately, but came back and gave a good account of himself vs Moreno. He wasn't the same in his comeback, and whether that was from this war, or the lay off is anyone's guess. Mine is that it was both.

    Somsak suffered worse. He was KOed in three in his next fight, and would never scratch the surface at world level again.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jel, I scored this recently. I had it a little wider than yours, but there were some close rounds. Here is what I wrote:

    Frank Fletcher v Tony Braxton

    Round 1: Fletcher
    Round 2: Fletcher
    Round 3: Fletcher
    Round 4: Fletcher
    Round 5: Fletcher
    Round 6: Braxton
    Round 7: Fletcher
    Round 8: Fletcher
    Round 9: Braxton
    Round 10: Even
    Round 11: Fletcher
    Round 12: Fletcher

    Total: 9-2-1 Fletcher (actual scores: 8-4, 6-5-1 and 9-3 all for Fletcher)

    Braxton simply didn't have the kind of firepower to hold off Fletcher. He seemed to have some success when laying in wait with a lead right on the southpaw Fletcher, but not enough to turn the tide.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    I’m thinking next week of taking a deep dive into Roberto Duran’s “lost weekend” — the span between the “No Mas” loss to Leonard in the rematch and his redemption win over Davey Moore.

    It’s a series of six fights — four wins and two losses — that encompasses Nino Gonzalez, Luigi Minchillo, Wilfred Benitez, Kirkland Laing, Jimmy Batten and Pipino Cuevas.

    It’s a span in which we see flashes of fire but until Pipino no hint that he could ever really be a force again. Should be a fun ride.
     
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  12. Jel

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    I can definitely see it that wide, Scar. I gave Braxton some close rounds - I thought he countered quite intelligently at times but just wasn't throwing enough overall.
     
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  13. Jel

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    No one walks away from a fight like that unscathed. Maybe when I was younger and I had more bloodlust, I'd have enjoyed that level of savagery but I like a bit more subtlety now in the fights I watch (I think that's why I avoided watching it up to now). Monshipour's tactics in this one were borderline suicidal.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    I love the SBW division. There's just so many great fights and entertaining fighters that have fought there. Monshipour is just another one of those guys. And he was actually really good too, he massively troubled Moreno (who's awesome, like a modern-day Hilario Zapata) in his final fight.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    Supposed to good. I like both of their styles so I'm expecting something interesting.

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    Cuevas' style was really fun, and really destructive. He just bulldozed his way to victory here, with his power and volume. Weston tried to use most of his tricks but I think he knew he had to exchange. Awesome little fight, lots of infighting and nasty clean punches landed. I might have to find more Cuevas fights. I've only seen his quick blowouts.

    Next up: Fletcher vs Braxton III

    Ps: anyone know the best Weaver fights? I've seen Holmes, Rudduck and Coetzee.
     
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