Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali?

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Tyson vs Ali

  1. Tyson KO

    7.5%
  2. Tyson decision

    7.5%
  3. Ali KO

    45.0%
  4. Ali decision

    35.0%
  5. Draw/Can't Decide

    5.0%
  1. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Cus trained Tyson since he was a kid to beat up Ali type boxers. His style was geared specifically for that. Cus only feared guys like Foreman, cause he could catch Tyson coming in.
    Tyson was an Ali fan as a kid and has a lot of respect for Ali, so he'd never say he can beat him even if he believes he can.
     
  2. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    thank you for pointing out my mistakes I will try to fix them as soon as I can and I will try to correct them
    Tyson was nothing special and I would prove that with several facts:
    Tyson struggled in his prime with B and C level fighters who were past his best or not even grrat contenders/world beaters.
    He did struggled with Bonecrusher,Bruno,Pinklon...he lost or only win UD against any fighter who didn't fear him.The man lost against first journeyman he faced called Buster Douglas.Next he lose against washed Holyfield.He was nothing special with beating scared LHW Spinks who came after 1 year layoff with multiple legs injuries and 39 years Holmes who was fat,sick,outshaped and came after layoff.He was amazing and exciting to watch but nothing more than that.
    I again said 80s was the weakeat era for HW boxing.Lower weights were fine with Mancini,Hilton,Camacho,Arguello,Hagler,Benn,Duran,Leonard,Mike McCallum...
    But for HW boxing it was very poor era.Mid 50s and 80s are two weakest era in HW boxing because there were only old fighters and C level contenders.
    80s era was rulled by Holmes who was washed,LHW Spinks....it was so weak that even 40 years old Foreman came back and beat everyone.That era was good for amateurs and lower weights but for HW until Bowe and Holyfield with old Foreman came it was very poor with guys like Weaver,Cobb,Berbick...
    I am completely sure that Mitch was nothing good and had less experience than Tyson.
    Tyson wasn't green since he beat many better guys before that bum and only few montsh after that beat Ratiff/Ribalta/Frazier amd won the title in that same year against Berbick.Before Green he faced Tillis so he was not inexperienced.
    Term bums Joe Louis used and called him bum of the month tour.
    Successful fighters were good champs who didn't lost against feather fists Larry Holmes in first round and beating washed contenders.Frazier was himself LHW not even CW.I call that a bum.
    Tillis pushed Tyson and deserved a draw.He did have poor endurance and stamina.He went full 12 rounds twice in his life and was exhaustes to death and was gassed against Holyfield,Douglas and even against Tillis.Tucker would easy win fight by Decision if he didn't have broken hand.With broken hand you couldn't punch and fight with uppercuts/cros and combos which are the most important things.Tucker would gain what he lost on points.
    Bonehugger was not even close to Lyle.Willard atleast knocked someone legendary like Jack Johnson.Bonehugger had wins over people like old Weaver/ Spoon and glas jaw Bruno.He lost against any good man he faced like Holmes,Tyson,Ruddock,Tubbs and even bums like Rodriguez/Frazier.
    Lalye was better/stronger/faster with wins over people like Shavers,Young,Bugner,Mathis,Ellis,Bonavena...
    Tyson never had great chin not even in his prime.
    And how primr Tyson had better chin than past prime Tyson?You could not lose your chin.Ali never lost by KO not even older Foreman.You said prime Tyson had better chin...chin is the thing that did not have his prime.The fighter is always durable or he had glass jaw.
    Tyson had very bad chin, not the like of Ruddock or Morrison but overall bad chin.Dropped by Stewart,Crusher,Bruno....knocked by bum Douglas,feather fiste Holyfield,McBride,Williams...Lennox was good puncher and knocked him cold.Tyson overrall chin was very bad.
    Ali was better than them and had better punch than anyone.Ali did had better punch than even older Holmes and Holyfield.If Ali had feather fist how he stopped London,Bonavena,Quarry....guys with iron jaws even Liston/Foreman.He stopped them all so he didn't have weak punch since he stopped 17 of 18 opponents in his prime.
    Dofference is that Ali was not knocked not even when he was washed,old and with parkinson without even training was never stopped not even by prime Holmes/Berbick.Tyson at that time was stopped by any good man he faced.But somehow in your mind Tyson had good chin?
    Not really since he started at amateurs even at lower weight than Holyfield.He was SMW/LHW im amatuers under 190 lbs.He was good damn LHW.Only biased here is you.
    Ruddock, whose family moved to Toronto's Weston neighbourhood from Jamaica when he was 11, was the second-youngest of five children. He started boxing at 16. He stayed with an uncle in Brooklyn for a while, boxing there and also back home while in the Canadian Forces reserves, where he earned the nickname Razor for leaving his opponents with cuts. He was Canada's light-heavyweight amateur champ, and might have gone to the 1980 Olympics in Moscow if it weren't for the boycott, before turning pro in 1982. After a defeat blamed on a debilitating case of asthma, and a stint driving a truck, he returned to boxing and hooked up with Canadian legend George Chuvalo as his trainer.
    Ruddock was 240+ pounds right?
    So he was 190lbs barely 200lb?He gained 40 more pounds but somehow not a steroid user and now is skinny and also barely 200lb?
    But Holyfield who gained 25-30 was clearly steroid user?
    Ali in his prime was no more than 215-200 and was 180/190 at his teenage years on Olympics.
    I would responde and I reaponded very well.
    Again I prove that I have evidence for everything and I did prove that Rudducok was a steroid hype job.I prove my point abiut Mitch Green and everything you replied to me.
    Have a nice day man!
     
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  3. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    Cus trained Tyson as a kid to qualify to Olympics but he failed.He didn't beat any Ali type of fighter.He lost against few of thems also Ali types and Holyfield also did beat him at that time in sparing.
    His style is especially created beating old Larry Holmes amd scared LHw Spinks.
    If he was trained why he fied against Ali type of fighter or better say his poor replica?
    Why then he struggled against Tillis/Tucker?
    If his style was created for Ali why he lost against poor man Ali called Douglas?
    Tyson was am Ali fan but he was and he isn't kind.He personaly know that he couldn't beat Ali not even in his dreams.
    Tyson always said something he belive and he know and belive that Ali would beat him since he was never kind with saying that he would knock Louis and Foreman.He was never a kind man but rude man with giant ego but he said that Ali would beat him simply because Ali would.
     
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