How do you judge a fight?

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  1. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is always disagreement between fans when a close fight goes to the cards. It makes me wonder how people score fights.

    Okay, so it is generally accepted that, barring a KO, the winner of a fight is determined using 4 criteria - clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defence and ring generalship. As we all know however, judging is subjective, not objective. How do you judge a fight and why. I'll start.

    First off, you don't play boxing, it's a fight. It's not like any other sport in my eyes. Two combatants are stepping into the ring to do bodily harm to each other and ideally render the other unconscious, leaving no doubt who wins. The violent intent does not broadcast over tv. If you haven't seen a live fight, you should. It will change your perspective.

    With that In mind, of the four criteria listed above, I value clean effective punching above all else. If I had to put it into percentages, which I'd rather not but will, I'd assign 40% of the round to clean punches and to make it simple ( this is already starting to get out of control ) 20% each for the remaining 3 categories. I also agree with the adage that you have to take the title away from the champion.

    So how do you folks do it? Ding Ding! Let's get it on!
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I adjust from round to round. You have to be quite mutable and be willing to change your criteria on a match by match basis, because no two matches are alike. I trend towards putting the utmost importance on clean punches landed, because it's the only thing that truly matters. If it's hard to split the two, then I lean towards the one who lands the cleaner heavier blows, so quality has to be taken into consideration. Then there's the conundrum of who do you give a round to, if one guy lands like 20 pittypat's and the opponent lands 2 bombs? I trend towards volume, unless those bombs rock the opponent to the core. Ring generalship means little to nothing to me, hence why I was so annoyed by the "story of the fight" comment from Max. You can look like you're in total control, and aggressively walking your opponent down with what seems like effective aggression & not land a single punch, but the guy on the backfoot, taps you with a jab, well he wins the round. You can't win a round, solely based on defense, however, if your defense is so on point and your opponent lands nothing, and you land a flicking jab, you win it, but because you land a punch and the opponent does not, ultimately you still have to land to win the round. So it all comes down to landed shots for me.
     
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  3. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of what you said, but my criteria remains the same for every fight. I didn't mean to do it, but the criteria as I listed above is pretty much how I value it in descending order, with ring generalship also being the least important to me. Max can be polarizing but I like his wisdom when trying to decide close rounds. If your not sure who won based on the above criteria, ask yourself who'd you rather be. That usually does it for me. As in your example, I'd rather be the guy that took several pity pat jabs on route to shaking the other guy up.
     
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  4. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First I like to beak each round in 3 minute segment.
    Thats the key for me. Makes it manageable in my head.
    Then I try and judge those individual segments accordingly. Based on punches , aggression and damage taken over those segments.

    As mentioned above, ring generalship is bs and super subjective and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    No sound and in slow motion.
     
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  6. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    I give the round to the fighter who won it
     
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  7. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    I tried doing this before but it’s just so boring
     
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  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    It's the only way you can score a Pacquiao fight.
     
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  9. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    he lost the fight the slow motion rubbish was embarrassing frankly
     
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  10. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    "In slow motion, he is still undefeated. Except for the KOs. But Manny was still a kid and Marquez was on roids. So they don't really count."
    Many people actually said **** like this.
    You can still see similar comments on Youtube.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I watch the round, and give it to whoever won it. There's no one-size-fits-all rule for scoring. Criteria changes with commissions too, but most of the time it's usually based on clean punching.

    But really it's just whoever you feel like is doing better.
     
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  13. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    I know funny form of denialism lol
     
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  14. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forget defence ! Forget ring generalship ! whats the purpose of voting on them ? who hits who the most, and hardest, for me end of.
     
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  15. christpuncher

    christpuncher Active Member banned Full Member

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    I think there should be more 10-8 rounds with no knockdown.
    If a guy batters his opponent around the ring for a round it should be a 10-8 round, if he's just barely lost the first two rounds, especially if they are nothing rounds, and then he smashes his opponent up in the 3rd and it's scored 10--9, he's losing. I don't think that's fair.
     
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