Top 35 All Time reveal - Boxing Survey Series

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  1. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Fair. Yet, everyone has their own criteria for "greatest."
     
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  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I know, but when I did the survey, I used H2H as the defining factor
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Funny how people can pick Wilde as the best flyweight ever, and not rank him that high P4P.

    I mean he would be giving up significant weight to a modern minimumweight.
     
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  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good stuff Rummy !

    A few surprises

    Only just looked at it...will probably have more to say later.
    :thumbsup:
     
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  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    One thing stands out somewhat, Tyson makes the final list ?

    And Marciano doesn't.

    If old-time p4p considerations were considered, given their respective sizes, and the overall level of their scalps, and where each man finished in the HW division, I find that one a little puzzling.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Considering this lost was made by committee, it's not bad at all.

    I don't think there's a genuine case for Jones being higher than both Pac and Floyd. I hate having any heavyweights other than Ali and Louis. I do like how high Moore ended up, though. Although McFarland being in the 30s really didn't sit right.
     
  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you used hypothetical imaginary fights that never happened, rather than real life fights and accomplishments as your defining criteria?
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Couple of Tyson fetishists had to put a mustache on this Mona Lisa.

    Otherwise, good job.

    And thanks to @Rumsfeld, the Classic Forum’s P4P king.
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Lol!
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    p4p list is the best list the process produced IMO.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

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    That P4P list is quality.

    Jones and Tyson are a bit too high imo and I was shocked at Holmes, but all in all the list is solid as hell.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It's surprising Dempsey didn't get a mention.

    This forum has changed a hell of a lot the past ten years.
     
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  14. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, we are only 50 years behind rather than 60!


    But seriously as mentioned great job by @Rumsfeld
     
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  15. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yes, I used what I believe would be the results if all the ATGs fought each other.
    For instance, in terms of achievements and impact on the sport in their era, guys like Dempsey and Johnson were great, but they'd both get beat to a pulp by someone like Bowe