Mike Tyson KO1 Jack Johnson?

What I don't understand is that if we said Ali would easily beat every fighter of that primitive era (which is reasonable to believe) then that's perfectly legitimate and somehow is NOT worship....saying Tyson would do the same is worship.

 

This. Tyson was a great fighter for his time, but he’s delusional if he thinks he’d easily run through the top fighters during Johnson’s time. Mike even at his best was never a complete fighter and a boxing master like Jack Johnson had all types of ways to frustrate and beat Tyson, who didn’t like inside fighting or being clinched. If he couldn’t run through Tillis he definitely isn’t running through Johnson or Jeffries.

If Tyson thought Holyfield was a dirty fighter he wouldn’t want anything to do with guys like Johnson or Godfrey, who were twice as dirty as Holyfield.

 

Man, how can you be that biased? Do you realize how much strength this "grabbing arm and forcing it backwards" requires? Especially against 230 lbs giant who has huge experience in grappling and infighting. If you don't consider it a solid example of Johnson's strength then either:

A) You don't think highly of Jeffries strength (we all know it's not true).
B) You've never tried to grapple with someone that big and that strong.

Johnson did it to show Jeffries that he was stronger in Jeff's own game. Jeffries was visibly frustrated by that. I'm not even saying that Johnson was stronger than prime Jeffries, I'm just saying that if he did that to bigger and stronger Jeffries, he'd be able to do that against Tyson.

Also, please stop with this "watch the film not short clips" bull****. I've watched 30 minutes version of this fight multiple times. You always assume that you're the only one who watches old fights and that's just ridiculous stance on classic boxing forum.

Johnson was very strong and it's visible in his fights against Jeffries and Moran, neither one of them was small or physicaly outmatched.

 

Tyson may very well have beaten everyone from that era. I have no problem with that statement. But to say he kos everyone including Johnson, and Dempsey in one round is an absolute joke. Saying he'd also dominate Johnson in clinches is also laughable.

 

I agree, Tyson was good enough that you can favor him over anybody. I just can't agree with how ridiculous some of these opinions are...

 

Lol I just said that because some of the elderly guys on here think the older fighters are invincible, in reality most of them would likely be high end journeymen at best in the modern era

 

I am not sure if Tyson would dominate Johnson in the clinch either but i think Tyson has too many weapons for Jack.

Regarding Johnson dominating Jefferies in the clinch, didn't Jefferies lose over a 100 lbs to fight Johnson? That kind of weight cut can and will weaken your physique tremendously. Most of Johnson's dominant clinch work was over much smaller men. Jefferies was shot when they fought.

Regardless, nothing on film demonstraes he could handle a 6 punch lighting fast combination from Tyson. His chin is too suspect.

 

Jeffries had been losing the weight for around a year.

Do you have any evidences to back it up? Johnson fought a lot of big fighters.

Do you really think that Johnson never faced a combo puncher? He fought Sam Langford and Bob Fitzsimmons, two of the best combo punchers ever

He wasn't stopped in 14 years and once he got stopped, it was in 26th round when he was 37 years old and out of shape. I don't think he had suspect chin at all and his defense was excellent.

 

It's becoming increasingly clear, you know absolutely nothing about Johnson.

 

So you used one hyperbole to justify another one?

 

He fought a middleweight version of Langford and refused to give Langford a rematch when the latter actually grew bigger and stronger. Fitzimmons was ancient when Johnson beat him.

As for not being stopped in 14 years, he spent his entire reign refusing to fight the top African-American fighters. He was stopped by Choyinski, a hard hitting natural light-heavy. Knocked down by Ketchel.

I think Johnson hardly ever faced a proper 200lb + heavyweight with power, handspeed and combination punching. On film, his opponents seem to be content with throwing 1-2's. They did not possess the side to side movement and the refined defense of a Tyson. They seem to be following him in a straight line instead of properly cutting off the ring.

 

So Langford at MW didn't know how to use combos? Johnson wasn't developed either then, he was a LHW-sized.

He spent his entire title reign refusing to fight top black fighters, but before Burns fight he proved that he was the best among them. You seem to judge him strictly on title years, which is misleading for Johnson.
He was stopped by Choynski when he wasn't in his prime, after that fight he went 14 years without a single stoppage.
Ketchel fight was a farce, we all know that.

That's because we don't have his fights against the best big opponents. But they happened, you can't just throw away anything he did if it's not filmed.

 

Of course he would, he'd destroy everyone in the first 30 seconds

 

Anyone who believes 1900 boxers stand a chance against a prime Tyson needs to get his head examined

 

Anyone who isn't even an amateur fighter and believes that he'd beat a HW champion needs to get his head examined.