Is Tyson's performance against Botha at all relevant in a H2H discussion against Wladimir Klitschko?

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Is Tyson's performance against Botha relevant in a H2H discussion against Wlad?

  1. No. Their may be reasonable arguments in defense of Wlad. This is not one of them.

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  2. Yes. Botha showed the blueprint to defeating Iron Mike.

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    As most of you may know, I'm not exactly the biggest fan of Mike Tyson. But even I have to address the absurdity of this post. It's gonna feel a bit peculiar being on this side of the fence :lol:

    The following was posted in a H2H matchup pitting Wlad against Tyson
    On the surface it looks like a decent post.... until you realize Tyson was rusty, not having had fought in nearly two years, over ten years past his prime, and shot.

    Despite "all kinds of hell" (which was more of Tyson being somewhat troubled due to factors that had very little if anything at all with what Botha bought to the table) he still ended up discarding Botha in less than five rounds with one right hand. I fail to see how one could use this in an argument against Tyson. Not only is it intentionally misleading, it plunges the depths of intellectual dishonesty.

    What do you guys think? Is Botha's performance against Tyson telling of the latters' chances against Klitschko, or is it of little relevance in the grand scheme of things? Note this is NOT a H2H thread so please don't vote on who you think would win.
     
  2. BCS8

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  3. swagdelfadeel

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    You states the Botha fights "really highlights Tyson's difficulty in dealing with a boxer that hits and holds" which simply isn't true. Tyson's main difficulties were as I've stated, ring rust, being over 10 years past his prime, and he was shot. The commentators in the bout made the following remarks
    "Tyson showing no speed whatsoever", "looks like he's in slow motion", and called him "the mark of a shot fighter". Now despite this, Tyson STILL knocked out Botha in less than five rounds, irrespective of "all kinds of trouble" Tyson had in your words.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    And yet Tyson had similar problems with other fighters that hit and held :eaea:
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

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    Yes, if we are talking about 1999 version of Tyson vs Wlad

    No, if we are talking about prime Tyson vs Wlad
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

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    Yes we are talking in a prime for prime scenario.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

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    Your inability to follow the point amuses me. I'm not talking about the "other fighters". I'm talking specifically about Botha, who's performance against Tyson was mainly, if not completely, because of Tyson's decline at that stage in his career.
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

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    1. Botha was a MUCH higher level of fighter, being previously ranked as high as 3. Francis was a bum and ended up retiring with a losing record. He was literally hand-picked to be knocked out. Francis drew with the 5-17-2 Luke Simpkin. That should tell you how good he was.

    2. Tyson at least had some experience when he faced Francis, and shook off some of his rust. It wasn't much but he wasn't coming off a near 2 year lay-off as he was for Botha.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    Nah, but I'd say Bonecrusher Smith's is though.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Not at all. Botha sort of made Tyson look bad at times.
     
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  13. Boilermaker

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    I think its relevant. It tells us that Tyson has the power to knock Vlad out cold, at any time in the fight.

    Even if vlad does clinch, wear down and even outpoint Tyson, Tyson does have the power to stop him late in the fight, if he lands cleanly. I agree with the above post suggesting Bonecrusher Smith is the fight most relevant in a head to head matchup. Tony Tucker would be another good one. Golota could tell us a bit.

    Wlad is not completely without any chance in this one, but he would be a heavy underdog and it is a dreadful stylistic matchup for him, in all facets, other than the pysical size factor.
     
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  14. Fergy

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    A hugging and a clutching all night!
     
  15. PhillyPhan69

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    I didn’t vote because neither option is correct...you need an option c: LOL Hell No