Was Wlad loss to Joshua and Fury about his age or him having a bad game plan

Yeah having to pick up Wilder's jaw off the mat repeatedly could be tiring.

 

Austin, Thompson, Mccline were all good big men.

 

The Wlad of the Haye fight would have finished AJ in round 5 and 6, his timing and speed were shot at this point. However Fury would always have been a confusing fight for him

 

Wlad's loss to Joshua was due to a bogus stoppage.

 

Just to put in perspective how long in the tooth Wlad was when he fought both Fury and Joshua Wlad had already been a pro for 12 years and had over 50 fights when Fury started as a pro. By the time Joshua turned pro Wlad was already 37 with over 60 fights and was already a declining fighter.

That said Wlad still was game and of course very experienced, but his age definitely had an impact in both fights.

 

You can't just 'let your hands go' against Fury, a fast and defensively able fighter, and expect to just land and win. The fact Klitschko used that line in the rematch leadup suggests that he didn't really accept Fury's ability.

It's weird to say that because Wlad has more boxing experience than any of us, but he's also delusional in many ways and has a ridiculous ego so you can see how he might not see the woods for the trees here. He was so desperate not to credit Fury with anything (and still is) that he pretended it was just all in his hands. That's narcissist ultra level.

The reason Wlad couldn't win was admitted by Wlad himself straight after the fight when he said he couldn't land his jab and his RH follows his jab, and that Fury's head movement/footwork and so on made him hard to hit. He also said he thought Fury would tire but didn't. In other words, he was waiting for Fury to be a sitting duck like so many other HWs he'd faced.

The other thing is that although people think Fury didn't land anything in the fight, if you watch carefully you'll see he does counter Wlad with short punches here and there when Wlad attacked. If Wlad opened up more he would also leave himself more open to getting countered, so again, it isn't just a simple case of him letting his hands go.

Ultimately, Wlad wasn't prepared to fight a guy with more reach, good defensive skills and a big man Wlad wasn't faster than. He also underestimated Fury. Wlad thought he could just do his clinical preparation work and it would be enough, and that Fury was a clown that wouldn't pose too many problems for the greatest progressive matriarchal HW of our time. And that's why Wlad's face post fight, while Fury was back to clown mode singing Aerosmith, was absolutely priceless.

 

Both played a factor but primarily it was age. I was at the Jennings bout and Wlad was having hard time letting his hands go against Jennings movement.
He needed Steward in his corner for Fury. To light a fire that he showed in round 12 much earlier by like round 4. His gas tank wasn’t good and he too afraid to gas out going for the ko.
Against AJ his left hook which was phenomenal in his prime was totally slow, Telegraphed and over used. AJ repeatedly effortlessly ducked under it. AJ never survives round 5 or 6 against prime Wlad.
Very rare for a heavy to compete at the level Wlad did into his 40s. Testament to his commitment but he was almost shot by the end.

 

Joshua's prime:

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Age and gameplan was a problem with both fights.

Fury was a problem stylistically for Wlad. His awkward style and size would have been a hassle for any version of him, but I do believe that all Wlad had to do was be busier and more aggressive to turn that fight around. His natural caution basically threw that fight in the bin and he knows it.

The AJ fight was also age + gameplan. Instead of working off a sharp jab, Wlad was hanging it out and trying to land his leaping left over and over. His speed was just not there, and AJ managed to slip it repeatedly. He should have dropped that idea early and sought to impose his jab.

 

He’s still not in his prime dafty. He’s only 30 and was 29 when that fight took place which is still young for a heavyweight. Wlad wasn’t in his prime until he was about 33. Both their styles aren’t as affected by age unlike Fury and Usyk. AJ hasn’t hit his peak yet.

 

Stupid question to ask, considering he got pumped by Ross Puritty, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster in his 20's.

"Oh, but he went on an undefeated run".

Yes, but not against the likes of Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. Defeating old, short or pumped up cruiserweights is hardly comparable.

 

This he got tired

 

Against Fury he had an awful game plan and fought the wrong fight. He would have destroyed Fury in the rematch, which is why Fury ducked him. Against Joshua, I actually thought he did pretty good. Maybe, he'd have done a little better if he were younger but that's still a solid performance.

 

We,re they really? If they we,re good big guys his problem was he struggled with great big men then. He was stronger and more imposing that these guys. And bigger than the rest of the guys he fought. When he came up against guys that we,re equally as strong/athletic in joshua and tall and big in fury his system of fighting...was found out to an extent. It was always gonna happen...just had to wait on the right opponent.

He fought the same way....edge up with his jab. Moved back when opponents came forward to attack to frustrate them. Then started getting more off when the opponent was totally frustrated. His jab was so good and strong it took a lot out of guys. He was a physical beast tbf...but was never a great boxer. If wlad didnt work as hard as he did in training camps he,d have been beaten before fury.

 

Wladimir any age can't beat Fury

Back and forward in straight lines

1,2

leaping left hook

clinch and try to push opponent over

Basic dosser. Should have stuck to knocking the Whyte's of the division over.