Jack Johnson's Aborted Two Tries At Defending HIs Title Against Jeannette

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  1. mcvey

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    If no promoter wanted to put them on whose fault is that? There were no offers for the fights from
    Coffroth
    Rickard
    Curley
    The three major promoters, all of them said the fights would not draw.
    Nobody in the US was interested in black v black heavyweight title fights.If they had been there would have been no need for the White Hope Era to even start.
    When he was champion the UK offered Johnson a derisory sum to defend against Langford ,$5000.
    France $30,000 to defend against Jeannette , but for a 30rds fight.
    Nobody had come up with a verified $30,000 offer for Johnson to defend against any of the Black Trio over a shorter distance that he turned down.Johnson was a fighter,not a promoter it was not his job to make the fights, only to accept or reject them as he desired, and you can't do either if there are no offers!
    On June 24th 1913 Johnson disappeared and went into hiding, prior to fleeing the US, that's two years of his reign in which he was a fugitive and unable to defend his title in the US. He had signed to defend against Jeannette prior to his trial but the fight, as we know was blocked .He signed to fight McVey and Langford in Australia, but public opinion there turned against him when he jumped bail and the fights were cancelled.
    I fail to see how its his fault the fights were not made?
    Do you blame Conteh and Galindez for not facing each other or do you blame the promoters and ruling bodies whose titles they held?
    How about McGuigan and Nelson?
    Sanchez v Pedroza?
    Lewis v Bowe?
    And there was no racial prejudice in the way of those fight being made.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's not a question of "fault". It's a question of how the champion in this mad hypothetical situation would be treated in 2020 according to another poster.
     
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  3. Boilermaker

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    well in 2020, Johnson would have been stripped for not fighting and reduced to the IBO title, but would be the peoples champion and a hero as a pusher of minority rights. Jeffries would be outcast and seen as a nationalist and inciter of riots. Langford would be stuck in the Lineal title super series with McVey for the WBC title. Jeannette would be facing his mandatory challenger Jim Johnson for his WBA title. Gunboat smith would be eyeing the winner of the fight with Luther McCarthy fireman Jim Flynn Playoff. Al Palzer would be undefeated WBO Champion but would have never fought a top 10 ring magazine ranked fighter. Luther McCarthy would Have failed his medical and still been alive. Stanley Ketchell would be preparing to cash in on a million dollar mega fight. With Floyd Mayweather Jr and he would be nowhere near the heavyweight division. Tommy Burns would have let himself go and ballooned up to 230, looking like Toney, but his win streak against his unranked stiffs would have him right in the picture and on the verge of pulling a George Foreman. And Fitzsimmons vs Ruhlin would have been Filmed!

    And despite me spending so much time on a boxing forum, i forgot to mention the IBF title. Probably because it would be handed around between a few ESB posters who knocked out each of the abovementioned champions in a round in the gym.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    In 2020 Johnson would not even be champion at heavyweight. He would not be allowed to hit and hold. People would laugh at his title matches and the troubles he had with them. More than likely he'd have more losses, and be Ko'd more often.

    If the heavyweight champion was out boxed by a middle weight , Ko'd by a light heavyweight, and floored by another middleweight, while avoiding the five best out there, he'd be champion of the
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    WBU belt at best!
     
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  5. janitor

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    Would they necessarily?

    It is not impossible to find modern parallels.
     
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  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wlad avoided his number 1 for a lot more than 5 years
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Oh,me being obtuse,my apologies Mac.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    I'm all ears.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    What a mess it would be B ? With King grabbing all the champs OMG!
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Watch Wlad v Povetkin & Haye lol

    NB Johnson was a green super middleweight when Choynski ko'd him, over seven and a half years before he won the title.But let's not let facts get in the way of yet another hating fest!
     
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  11. janitor

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    We had to wait more than five years to see Mayweather Pacquiao, and when we finally got it a lot of people thought that it was largely meaningless.
     
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  12. BitPlayerVesti

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    And imagine if one had already beaten the other before!
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Noon Saturday here Mr Mendacity.
    No reply from you on this,as I knew there would not be.Ive got a Granddaughter's BBQ today and cards in the pub Sunday , so I probably won't post much over this week- end.
    No danger of missing a primary source link from you though is there!
    Just stop with the hate crap, you've been badly exposed once again, show a little dignity and class if that's possible for you.
    In other words, unless you can produce primary sourced proof to confirm your hate posts, keep your lying mouth shut on the subject of Johnson !
     
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  14. McGrain

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    There was absolutely no racial undertone here.

    Regardless, it is interesting to me that the best you could do was a fight that happened. If Johnson had fought Jeanette we would be talking about McVea.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Not too sure about that Mac, Johnson outclassed Sam pretty convincingly before stopping him in their last bout.Would there have been any demand for a 4th fight? I've never seen a quote from Sam angling for another fight with Jack, of course they were close friends so maybe he was showing some delicacy about it? Jeannette and Langford both disliked Johnson, so no delicacy there ,they both lost no opportunity to disparage him,though Langford later admitted Johnson's ability.
     
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