GGG vs James Toney at 160.

@JohnThomas1

Credit to ya, John. This one's got it all... it's got the best poster on here saying Toney could stop GGG. It's got generalities arguing frivolously for their guy. It's got intense back and forth debate, it's got demented logic running rampant. And of course, a schooling from yours truly.

All that's left is for Mendoza to back GGG as an Eastern European (and somehow bash Chang), and Dubblechin belittling Toney as he only had "two good years, 1991 and 2003" (and somehow say Porter beats Curry).

 

Golovkin could hardly hit canelo with any punch not called a jab, toney takes him apart

 

What is your actual argument?

Because quoting his number of title defences isn’t going to cut it.

Mike was a better technician and he has a better resume.

 

Golovkin comes in the ring at 175lbs most of his fights

 

If you think that Reggie beat Toney then that’s cool.

It was a close fight.

A difficult stylistic match up for him.

Reggie was a skilled southpaw.

Yes, he was at his best for Nunn. And Mike, who he had great respect for.

Tiberi and Williams were fights in between.

Do you think the versions of Chris Eubank who scraped by Schommer and Close, would have beaten Watson and Benn?

 

People may think ‘if Canelo can counter golovkin effectively then Toney certainly will’ but Canelo was countering Golovkin on the front foot and pushing golovkin back and golovkin was having to fight on the back foot and that is not one of his strengths and I still scored both Canelo fights to golovkin, anyway, Golovkin’s strengths are cutting off the ring and one he has cut you off he is good at firing combinations to the body and head whilst you’re on the ropes and setting up his offence, I’m telling you Golovkin gives Toney major issues, even if you make Golovkin miss then hit him he will always follow up after he’s been hit with straight punches which are difficult to avoid, Golovkin would come off best in at least 40% of exchanges with them finishing straight punches, watch the Canelo 2 fight he is always finishing with straight punches after he’s been hit in an exchange

 

I think he drops James at least once.

I was a big fan of James since before the Nunn bout and followed him as closely than any other fighter thru the early 90's. The McCallum he beat was well past it and neither of the two relevant efforts were scintillating on James' side. At 160, he would often sleepwalk thru rounds and flurry over the last 15 seconds hoping to steal the frame.

GGG's pressure and precision wouldnt let him off the hook for the first minute and a half and those rounds would go the other way. And James got lazy with his guard. I see that being exploited repeatedly.

 

Golovkin goes into a shell and jabs as usual when he isnt fighting a welterweight or a man his own size that actually knows how to box a little. Toney will gauge his power and abilities In the first two rounds then go to work. A prime Golovkin will keep up with the pace but his face might come too close to resembling hamburger for the refs comfort. Toney by something like 8-4

 

GGG is for sure an excellent offensive technician, but the handspeed difference here is massive. Also James would have reach on GGG and had an excellent jab of his own.

 

There's a lot of support here for Toney but his record at middleweight ain't all that. He won a title against Ricardo Bryant later he had a draw with Sanderline Williams . He later won a UD in a rematch. He won a close split decision over Merqui Sosa before a fine outing against Nunn. He struggled against Reggie Johnson before his split decision win over McCallum and I think he flat out lost to Dave Tiberi when he got a controversial split decision. A fight with Gennady Golovkin in his prime would not be as easy as many here seem to think. I think it'd be another of those very close split decision type fights he seemed to have at middleweight and I'd favor GGG to take it.

 

Prime for prime

 

Golovkin through some of his corkscrew blows on and landed on Canelo. It was mostly in the later rounds when things were getting heated. He would hit Canelo on top of the head then Canelo would look at him confused, like what the hell was that before eating a fallow up jab. It was great stuff, and happend a few times.