I will just add the Holyfield had, something young George likely did not have, and that is an indomitable will.
You're the dummy who said Foreman can't land body shots on short opponents so you might want to stop talking!
In this fantasy matches big bad super Monster Jorge Foreman ices everybody, of course he was only prime for 2 fights against two good but chinny fighters, one of them pulled off the biggest feast of his career by beating a diminished Ali but went 1-4 afterwards in his signature fights, same with the other guy, after getting rolled by Foreman he actually did better and beat a cement feet Ali. In real live Foreman actually lost.....what a surprise, this so called baddest puncher and strongest fighter that ever lived got beat.....he was clowned by a old Ali while barely winning a couple of rounds........clowned by pillow fist Young and went life and death with crude face first slugger Lyle who lost most of his fights when he stepped up.... Holyfield wanted to KO the old fossil in their actual fight and made it unnecessarily more competitive in giving Foreman to land a blow here and there, in the end Foreman had to wear sunglasses for two weeks hiding his grotesque swollen eyes and face. Holyfields hand speed will make the difference while beating no head movement foreman to the punch similar to Ali, has the chin to survive a big hit and the ability to fire right back, all he has to do is to be somehow disciplined for the first 5 rounds and then while no conditioning wonder himself has way more in the tank then a late round Foreman, he can brawl then and most likely would against a weak Foreman forcing a clear UD while scoring a knock down.
Of course he did. That's why that fight was named The Ring Fight of the Year and Round 12 of the same was named Round of the Year (1977). That's why, post-fight, Foreman was deemed to be suffering from dehydration and hallucinating, due to the extreme heat that night. Although, these are not the signs of what I would normally associate with a boxer who had fought without enthusiasm.
Go back and read what I said. I said: "But you people don't seem to understand how boxing works if you think Foreman can hit Holyfield with body shots" I wasn't talking about any bum, but about Holyfield.
I did go back and read what you wrote. It doesn't mame any sense. You claim Foreman, a guy measured between 6'3-6'4 would have a hard time landing body shots on a guy whose measurrd at 6'1-6'2. You claimed it's difficult for taller fighters to land on shorter opponents. I provided multiple examples of Foreman having no trouble at all landing on opponents even shorter than Holyfield. Ergo, your argument is invalid. You claimed a prime Foreman would be too slow to consistently land on Holyfield even though a slow fat old version of Foreman consistently landed on Holyfield. Obviously 70's Foreman is much faster than his older self. Ergo, your argument makes no ****ing sense at all. It's not like Holyfield was some defensive wizard either, he got nailed by the plodding Bowe, got dropped by Bert Cooper who wasn't particularly skilled by any stretch of the imagination, etc. And Ali was much faster than Holyfield and still couldn't avoid all the body shots despite being much better at rolling with punches to minimize damage. Holyfield did not hesitate to slug it out even when badly hurt, this is on film and obvious. You simply don't know what you're talking about. You claim Rahman and McCall hit harder than Shavers and that Lewis had a better chin than Ali. You claim to be good enough to beat past heavyweight champions with zero professional or amateur fights or even footage of you doing bag work. Just stop. You're a joke.
So much wrong with this post, Johnny, I barely know where to begin. First off, Ali's chin is not vastly overrated. And I am talking Ali, not Cassius Clay, as it got better as he got older and withstood huge shots from Foreman, Frazier, Lyle, Shavers, Norton and others in the 70s and went down once, for a total of maybe three seconds. That is a concrete chin. Not up for debate. Secondly. I have no idea why you should think Foreman couldn't land body shots on Holyfield, You seem to think it's because he's taller. Riddick Bowe was taller than Holy. He had no problems landing to the body. He didn't need to kneel or crouch - he would have just bent his left knee a little bit and dipped to the side, no different to what he would have had to do to throw a hook to the head or a straight right. Not heavyweights but case in point . Hearns knocked Duran down twice in the first round; once from a body shot and once from a straight right. Watch how he bends his knee both times. There's very little difference. There was no kneeling or crouching. You say it's hard to land a body shot if you're kneeling or crouching. No ****, Sherlock. It would be hard to throw any punches if you're kneeling. Not least because the ref would have sent your opponent to a neutral corner while he stood between you counting. You're right in that Holyfield wouldn't lean back but that wouldn't preclude George landing to the body. If Evander stands up straight, his body is there for hitting once George corners him or traps him on the ropes. If he bends at the waist, he'll be in the line of uppercuts so he will soon straighten up where he will be open to be hit by body shots. Boxers who are not tall are the best at landing body shots, you say. Here's some names. Hearns, Arguello, Saddler, McLellan, McCallum. What have they got in common? Could it be that they were all devastating body punchers? Or could it be that they were all very tall for the weights they operated at? Either or, in case you're wondering. I think you need to go a bit easy on decrying fellow posters. A bit less of the 'you people don't seem to understand how boxing works' until you can make a post less full of holes than the one you just did. I thought you not only boxed but to a standard that would have seen you be heavyweight champion of the world in another time. How come you seem to know so little about the mechanics of the sport?
Not just on any guy, on Holyfield, who was more skilled than him. No it isn't. Your argument is stupid. If I show you an example of say Hearns knocking out a bum HW, does that mean that Hearns can KO a HW champ ?!? Of course not. In my post, I specifically said Holyfield, not that Foreman could not land on any short guy. If the guy is a bum, of course he can land. Holyfield is no bum. Bowe was more skilled than Foreman. Plenty hit harder than Shavers. Shavers is overrated. And there is no proof Lewis's chin is worse than Ali's.
You are right, I exaggerated a bit, but I just don't see Foreman as being skilled enough to do that to Holy
