Witch fighter gets the most overrated on this forum?

Wilde is a top 15 P4P staple IMO, but that doesn't mean he beats everyone who ever fought a Flyweight. There's quite a few guys that I'd pick over him, whereas many others think he's invincible.

You do a lot of the overrating. Jofre was good, but it's not set in stone that he's the number one BW ever, like is often claimed. He'd wouldn't ever be favoured to beat Harada IMO, and Olivares gives him a big run for his money when it comes to rankings. Most pick him to beat Gomez too, which I find quite strange.

Pintor beat him. And he wasn't better than Olivares like I've seen some say. I've also seen guys put him at top five in their bantamweight lists, which I find, again, quite strange.

 

Think it has to do with the posters age, I was in my early 20s around the time of 4 and have such fond memories of thier exploits. make sense yes ?

 

Harada himself doesn’t believe he won the first fight (as most Japanese at the time and even today and this is from a lot of research and direct communication) with Jofre and claims Jofre is the best ever bantam. That’s a solid reference point. There’s a great chance a not as weight drained Jofre with better activity than one fight in 2 years is favored over an Harada beaten by Rose, KO’d by Medel etc; Olivares was KO’d and beaten up badly by Rafael Herrera then clearly defeated in a rematch at a weight favoring him. That has to factor in too.

Gomez was life and death with Pintor moving up in weight, it’s not crazy to think Jofre, who wouldn’t be weight drained at 122, could beat him. If Yum can drop him hard, Holmes can buzz him etc; a peak Jofre with his power, but also durability and stamina has a great shot.

Zarate-Pintor was a total robbery in the opinions of roughly 90% of fans. There’s a reason that many feel Zarate, who was a little on the downside, won.

 

But it's not a solid reference point. Harada clearly did win the first fight, he's just being humble. Overly so. And I doubt that any Jofre KOs the Harada who beat him. I don't think the Herrera rematch was a clear win. Regardless, it wouldn't factor in anywhere near as much as Ruben's much better résumé. Especially not when Jofre lost as well.

If Yum can drop him, and Pintor can go life and death with him, the surely Zarate would destroy him.... you'll have to do better than that Chris. Also, Holmes buzzed him? All I saw was Holmes was getting his ass kicked.

It wasn't a robbery. That stat is clearly hyperbole and Zarate wasn't on the downside by much. At all. It's barely noticeable, if at all.

 

You think Harada won clearly, but many people, including a lot of Japanese at the fight and in the press, felt Jofre won. This is documented and it can’t be dismissed. It was a very, very close fight and it wasn’t at Jofre’s best moment. There’s a bit of a difference between losing a close split decision to Harada than being blasted by Herrera.

Regarding Zarate, you don’t believe it was a robbery, but there’s a reason it’s widely regarded as such and it’s incredibly rare to fight anyone who had Pintor up. It’s like I felt Holyfield beat Moorer in fight I but it’s a perfectly accepted result and I realize I am in the minority there.

Holmes very briefly buzzed Gomez early in the fight. Gomez recovered quickly. The point being that Jofre, who’d have benefitted greatly from having 122 wouldn’t be in over his head against Gomez when you consider an ancient Jofre did so well as a featherweight, much better than a youthful Gomez did at featherweight for example. While I don’t particularly like (or care to discuss in detail) mythical matches, it’s conceivable that Jofre, with his patience, brilliant counter punching, resilience can take advantage of Gomez’s aggression.

 

Naseem Hamed. End thread

 

I find Ali and Louis terribly overrated on this forum some of their fans think they are invincible

 

Ali by a country mile.
Then come the likes of: Louis, Holyfield, Marciano, Johnson.

 

No, it's not about your comment. This argument is very often used in Baer discussions. I mean, sure he wasn't small and it definitely helped him but he wasn't that big either and fought many bigger fighters than himself (and he beat them all basically).

 

I've always thought Walker was terribly underrated on this forum. He is rarely included in ATG discussion except in passing. Rarely much discussion that I can recall.

 

Mayweather Jr. At welterweight.
Wilder, Joshua, and Fury. Triple G. Especially Lomacheko of the new school.
Greb, Walker, Johnson, Dempsey, Fitzsimmons of the old school.
G.Mccllean is talked up quite a bit. But who did he actually beat that was very good and prime?
His best wins were a well past their best Jackson and Mugabi. Both fighters were at least 5yrs beyond their primes.
I Think the underrated M.McCallum's ko of Jackson is far more impressive that what Mccellean did. Jackson was prime and at his devastating best when McCallum stopped him.

 

Loma overrated because he was able to walk after 40 or 41 low blows from Salido, btw Salido comed in the ring considerably heavier than Loma and Salido is OVERRATED by undefeated US GOD boxer criteria: Salido had been finished by noname even in Mexico measures, therefore automatically MUST BE A BUM?
Is Salido overrated BUM? yes/ no?
Loma at least will have legacy even without pro entertainer career, Salido in noname in europe, noname that had been finished by ppl that were noname in Mexico measures.

 

The two greatest heavyweights, Ali and Louis, struggled with certain fighters they shouldn't have during their primes as well. Tyson got knocked out by Buster Yawn Douglas in his prime, and definitely had difficulties with Ruddock (who shortly after got KTF out of by Lewis).

20 successful title defense, 7 and a half years as champ.

And geez, Witherspoon ended up being a two time heavyweight champ.

Prime Holmes beats everyone but prime Joe Louis and 60s Ali.

 

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