GGG vs James Toney at 160.

Check what I said, asked for details and said a draw with a man 35, who was on the decline is nothing to brag about, quite the opposite. I am watching the fight now, and nothing has changed on that point.

 

Good for you, please post your card. Also I want your opinion on how much McCallum has regressed, as he says he was past his prime and looking at fights years early its hard to disagree with that.

I do think its an entraining fight, but there are reasons for it. Chief among them them is McCallum is slower, stiffer and gasses more than he used to which allows Toney to land and counter cleanly Toney could not come close to out jabbing McCallum, the relevance to this thread is GGG's jab is excellent and he had more power and speed than this version of McCullum

Toney's power doesn't bother McCullum at all. He not down or clinching to stay up. That's what I'm seeing.

 

Jones was Ko'd by Tarver an older light heavyweight ( 35 same age as Jones ) , not know for his power early with one punch.

He was also badly Ko'd and down for what could be a minute vs Johnson ( 35 same age as Jones ) who sports a fringe level contender type of record.

Given the one punch variety and the snooze for a minute I think its plausible jones losses one of 20 title defenses at 160 pounds and I am a Roy Jones fan who as we know was busted for steroids.

GGG unlike Jones has a fantastic chin, hence he was never down or hurt in ANY fight.

 

Great post.

 

Mc Callum who is a truly an old school fighter does a lot of subtle things.But I do not expect you to understand the nuances of the sport.Just on that last point, James had Mc Callum Out on his feet in the last round. I don’t know how in the world you can say that Toney’s power did not bother Mike, that is just factually wrong!

 

LOL, Dude I see what's he doing. All of it. I also pointed out he's fighting dirty when he gets tired. Though 8 rounds I have not seen McCullum remotely hurt, despite Toney landing flush. I do think he's gassing, I'll let you know what I think of the 12 round when I get there.

Can you show me these nuances you speak of? Calling you out, anyone can say it. Provide details, and descriptions like right now. We'll see if your legit or just talking.

You still duck all of my questions...don't be so weak, that is if you know this game like your claim.

 

George Crowcroft:

Jones' power > GGG's

Mendoza: How old are you again? This is not so, I doubt even Jones would agree with this.

 

My age has nothing to do with this. I've just provided you about 20 showings of Jones' elite power. 20 more than GGG has... If you want to say GGG hits harder, back it up. Show me all the bigger, durable guys he's stopped. Show me the elite fighters. Show me the guys he rocked and dropped with proven iron chins. Coz right now, all you've got is an unlikely assumption and an opinion.

 

If a tricky southpaw and a fighter who was on another level to any version of GG is evidence to you, you might as well just go and find another thread.

 

Yeah, I’m saying that he had more than enough firepower and ability to if required.

The guy knocked out two 185 plus pound LHW’s with one shot. And one of them fought at CW and was never knocked out by anyone else in nearly 60 fights.

He also knocked out a SMW who was never knocked out by anyone else in almost 60 fights.

So get real.

He damn sure could have knocked out the B and C level MW’s who GG fought.

 

Your age certainly has nothing to do with it. You've shown you know what your talking about and aren't biased

I'd have to agree with your take. RJJ had proven devastating power at 160 and could deliver it in a much wider variety of ways. GGG has provided us with no tangible evidence that his power was anywhere near as good as advertised

 

You have supported every one of Mendoza’s posts where he has made reference to the fight with Roy.

If you don’t share my opinion that GG’s title defences were against B and C level guys, then tell me what level of fighters they were.

The fact that you don’t rate the win over Nunn as one of his best 2 wins speaks volumes. Not only that, you have also claimed that Nunn was schooling him before he ran out of gas. You are so disingenuous.

All of the other fiascos? Two incidents out of 40 fights?

An old, good fighter in McCallum? Good? No. He wasn’t just good. He was still a great fighter at that point. We have actual evidence to support that.

 

You’d already made your mind up before you pressed play.

 

Look how desperate you are.

Trying to paint a picture where McCallum wasn’t great, just so you can say that GG would have beaten Toney, on the grounds that GG was much better than an old version of Mike.

Good effort, but it’s not going to wash with us for 2 reasons:

1. GG has never beaten anyone as good as Toney or Mike in his career.

2. The results and performances against Toney, Collins, Kalambay and Watson, is absolute proof that Mike was still a great fighter in his mid 30’s.

 

Again, ZERO context.

Tarver was the same age as Roy, but Roy had twice as many miles on the clock. He’d had 50 fights and had dropped back from HW. Tarver didn’t turn pro until he was 28 and had only fought 20 odd times.

Glen Johnson fought Roy just a few months after Roy had been iced by Tarver.

If you are a genuine fan of Roy’s, then you’d know that the mid 30’s, post HW versions of him, weren’t the same as the prime versions of him who fought in the 90’s at MW and SMW.

Again, why is it plausible that he’d have lost one of his defences at MW?

Where’s the logic in that, when he didn’t lose to BETTER fighters up at HIGHER weights?

Please explain.

Forget 20 MW defences/fights. Apart from the Griffin DQ, he didn’t lose in 48 other fights, across 4 divisions.

If guys like Toney, Hopkins, Griffin, Hill and Reggie couldn’t beat him, then what chance would guys like Macklin, Geale and Jacobs have had?

Again, Roy Jones in his prime would have toyed with GG’s B and C level opposition.

Get real.

Toney couldn’t touch him at SMW.

He iced Griffin and Hill at LHW.

You don’t have to possess psychic powers to have predicted what would have happened had he have fought Martin Murray, Matthew Macklin and David Lemieux etc.

He’d have played with them like they were nobodies.