GGG vs James Toney at 160.

What do I need to justify? I've drilled him a new one.

 

All opinion.

What evidence? All I see is Toney losing to a 35 year old guy. He'd lose to Golovkin too.

It's not my fault you have Toney posters stuck with glue to your ceiling so that he's the first and last thing you see before sleeping and on waking up.

 

Yes, 6-4 = 1. You are correct. You have discovered "nu-maths". Congratulations.

 

@JohnThomas1 well I hope you're happy with yourself sir! 34 pages of shite for a non-heavyweight thread has to be some kind of glorious record. Take a bow son. Is your favourite song by any chance 'We Didn't Start The Fire'? Or 'It Wasn't Me' by that nob Shaggy? Because we all know it was, Johnny. It was. Have a Mythos on me.

 

He finished his amateur career with an outstanding record of 345–5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennady_Golovkin

Wrong. As usual.

 

Huh? When was that?

Saying something is an opinion, isn't enough to win a debate. You need to justify why you disagree with said opinion. I thought that common knowledge.

So Nunn would've won two rounds more than Toney. If Toney had won one more round, then it would've been even. Therefore Nunn was only winning by one round.

 

And so I did.

And if Toney had lost one more round he'd have been 7-4 0r 8-3 down ...

 

You didn't. You have used "that's an opinion" as an argument multiple times.

Are you all there? You said Nunn was schooling him, then said that the fight was 6-4. 6-4 is winning by one round, as if it weren't 5-5, you wouldn't be winning. That's not hard to get round your head. And even so, neither 7-3 nor 6-4 is a schooling.

 

Looked like Toney was floundering to me.

 

So much so that he was winning 4 rounds to six. And you need your eyes checked. Saying Toney was schooled by Nunn is like saying GGG was schooled by Canelo. It's just not true.

 

I guess I must have misremembered Toney's own corner telling him repeatedly that he was going to lose.

 

Losing = Schooling? And yeah, if Toney didn't come on strong late he probably would've lost. But he didn't. 6-4 is no schooling. It's winning by one round. Or in this case being up by one round before being KTFO'd.

 

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It is not opinion for christ sake. It is based on record.A record is not an opinion, it is factual and objective information.You just can’t give in to anything, you are like a little child.

you were told by numerous posters that Mc Callum was still great and held in high regard at the time:

- Mike was a 5-2 favourite to beat Toney
- Mike had only one loss which he just avenged against Kalambay who is better than anybody on GGG’s record
- Mike beat Watson and Collins around the same time
- Mike went on to win the light heavyweight championship 3 years later in dominant manner against anopponent in his prime ( no washed up kovalev)
- Mike is ranked by the RING in te Top100 fighters of All Time

That is not an opinion , that is factual evidence.

 

How sad you put words in my mouth and misquote me, then fail to apologize for doing it, and like the others can't answer my questions.

I asked what level was Roy Jones chin, you duck it. It's not that hard of a question.

It's always " lottery punch " when a champion with a suspect chin gets taken out by lesser opposing, isn't it? I think we know that. Johnson was not a big puncher, he had Roy on his back for several ten counts, Tarver maybe could qualify a a puncher but the fact he took him out with the first sold blow in round 2 which underscores that Jones could be taken out. In fact he was twice, and badly if I might say so myself!

I held you in a high opinion, but when pressed into an actually debate, your fan boy colors are showing.

Roy didn't fight anyone ranked until his 20th fight or so. But he breezes past Toney with ease, we probably both agree there, but stop me if you don't.

It's also pretty clear your one of those type who think this era can't fight. Well in this era the champion onset; lose to Dave Tiberi either.

One more question, though I'm quickly losing faith in you. When a past his prime guy fights a in his prime guy coming off perhaps his best performances and snuggles to draw, what does that tell you?! It says the younger guy isn't likely as good as older guys was and in this had McCallum been in his prime, he beats Toney. As it stands, McCallum could be argued to be Toney's best win! IMO Toney loses if McCallum was a few year young.

Summary:

PED's, badly out classed by Jones, lost to Tiberi, with arguably his best win vs an older 35+ man who " Drew with him " Down and badly cut before. Had problems with good jabbers. Yeah, I think we've got it.