GGG vs James Toney at 160.

I'm sure you can go all the way down, listing non-achievements and citing gatekeepers as wins but there's no point. You know I'm right.

Toney didn't struggle when he sent Nunn to another planet. And going down to the wire with McCallum and Reggie is much more impressive than going down to the wire with Jacobs and Derevyanchenko. Plus, Toney beat McCallum clearly twice anyway. And given the inexperience level Toney was at for that draw, not to mention fighting ten times that year, I think GGG would definitely struggle with Williams on those situations.

How can you say to look at the official decisions while saying that Toney should've lost to Tiberi, McCallum and Reggie?

Who now? The only green guy he fought was Collins, and the only old guy was Donald Curry. Graham, Kalambay and Watson are better wins than any of GGG's. Let alone Jacobs'.

Really, who might they be?

No they weren't. You've just made that up.

Nunn wasn't past it. McCallum wasn't past it. Reggie wasn't past it.

Graham wasn't past it. Kalambay wasn't past it. Watson wasn't past it.

 

Nope, I know I'm right.

Maybe you should watch the actual fight.

OLD Golovkin as compared to PRIME Toney. Small difference that you and the Toney fanclub seem to be dead set on ignoring.

Amazing!!!! Can I interest you in Berbick beating Ali?

Yeah, that's yet another reason why I think Golovkin lays Toney out. Thanks for reminding me.

Golovkin beats those kind of guys when he rolls out of bed.

I already provided my view as to why Golovkin beat them. Maybe they should have tried staying on their feet.

Wrong. Kalambay was 35 and two years from retiring when McCallum beat him, barely. Another epic win over an old fighter

WHO TF did Herol Graham ever beat? And don't tell me the corpse of Ayub Kalule because then I'll have a good laugh. I frankly can't recall him even leaving Britain to fight Graham was a good boxer but his achievements are paper thin.

Fixed it.

Watson has a single decent win on his roster: glass jawed Benn. And that's only because Benn got so tired of beating him down that he essentially fell apart. Jacobs would send Watson to the morgue, and half of the decent guys GGG beat would too.

Tiberi, for instance.

Yes they were and I just pointed it out.

I'll give you Nunn, Toney's best win to that date. Yet another razor-thin affair for prime Toney.

 

Excuses, excuses, excuses Around the age GGG was struglling with the likes Jacobs and Dervy, Toney was beating up the likes of Jirov, Holyfield and Ruiz 30 and 50 pounds north you fool !!!

 

Yeah, I'm sure you are. After all, David Lemieux's wins over Gabe Rosado and Hector Camacho Jr. are indeed the crème de la crème of modern boxing.

Yeah, I have done. Remember when Nunn was viciously KOed? Remember that time where Toney KOed an elite fighter, and GGG never did?

GGG was prime for Jacobs and Canelo I. If he wants, when was he? When he was smashing up bums and defending non-titles?

And Toney fanclub? You know I prefer GGG, right?

Maybe GGG should've won more rounds.

Right. Kalambay would score his second best win the following year, and is the exact same age as McCallum. Take your own advice, maybe you should watch the actual fight. You'll see how good Kalambay was. Y'know, better than anyone GGG has fought.

Why does he need to leave Britain?

He beat super middleweight champ Lindell Holmes, and was robbed in the Kalambay rematch. He also arguably beat McCallum, although I didn't think so.

Sure you did. 'Old' Kalambay > Any GGG win.

You've clearly never seen that fight. Watson out-classed Benn, took him apart. And he was robbed vs Eubank, and was schooling him in the rematch too.

You think guys like Lemieux and Rubio would beat Watson????

I'm done. That's ****ing brilliant.

There's no hope for you.

Take GGG's bollocks out of your mouth for more than two minutes, and you'll see that Watson was on a completely different level to those guys.

What happened to going by official decisions and taking both men at their best?

No you didn't. You keep seeing things which aren't there to cover your weird GGG fetish.

BTW, cold **** KOing someone isn't a razor-thin affair. Just like being one round up isn't a schooling. That, two wins over McCallum, a win over Reggie and one over Sosa is leagues ahead of the shite GGG defended against for years.

Anything else is wrong.

 

BCS8,

YOU are the one who needs to watch the fight.

YOU are the guy who's said that Toney was being schooled before he gassed.

On what planet is 6-4 a schooling?

Your posts contain a staggering amount of ignorance.

You can't even give Toney credit for the win.

It's completely beyond you to give him praise for breaking down an elite southpaw, who presented him with a huge stylistic issue. You won't give him credit for his body work which slowed Nunn down.

To you, Toney didn't beat Nunn, it was Nunn that lost the fight because he was gassed.

That's all you can say. You can't even refer to him as being a great fighter. You can only refer to him as being an old guy.

Was every one of GG's title defences a world champion?

Yes or no?

If you don't think that guys like Matthew Macklin are C class guys, then this sport isn't for you.

That's absolutely fine. We can both disagree on what we think would have happened between them. That's what the forum is for.

I have absolutely no issue with you thinking that GG would have won.

The issue with you, is that all throughout this thread, you have disrespected Mike and Toney as fighters, as well as their resumes, whilst at the same time, you've been trying to hype GG's stats when he hasn't had the same quality of wins.

You give him zero credit for his wins over Nunn, Reggie and Mike, saying that they were close, they were gassed and they were old, before then trying to claim that wins over Macklin, Monroe and Rubio etc, were of great importance.

 

Wow, here comes Toney's underpants to give us yet another irrelevant opinion on Toney at a completely different weight to that which Golovkin fought at. Try again.

 

And Toney's wins over old men are the creme de la creme of that era

Whelp, if come-from-behind KO's are the total summary of a fight, then I guess Rahman and McCall dominated the likes of Lewis

35-36 y/o fighters are not prime, especially not at the lighter weights. There are very few fighters that are great at that age.

So as to fight for something worth mentioning?

Ah yes, the Kalambay that seems to be losing to everybody at this age. Can't imagine why. Holmes, another candidate for P4P legend

^Opinion.

Here is the fight. Maybe you remember some other fight:

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Watson is basically a shyte version of Martin Murray, poncing around in a high guard and throwing jabs while Nigel Benn unloads bombs from hell from every angle. Till about the middle of the fourth round where Watson had a moment, Benn was pounding on him like the local bully pounds on the fat kid for lunch money. I'll give Watson credit for a tremendous chin - and Benn demerits for his certified china.

Certainly, why not. Although I guess Lemieux might be stymied by Watson's iron chin since he can be pretty wild himself sometimes.

Even Toney admits he lost. Want to see the video? I can post it again.

Um, OK. You can explain how Puritty dominated this fight then:

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*Opinion

 

Ha!

And who are you?

You are the Bailey of the group.

Trying to debate on statistics like a casual fan from social media.


Any respect that I had for you as a poster, went a few days ago.

Both you and Mendoza have shown a staggering amount of ignorance.

You post absolute cringeworthy garbage, where you even outright lie, before then having the audacity to accuse others of showing bias.

You are literally both incapable of debating this topic in a sensible an objective manner.

It is utterly beyond you.


You simply haven't got the intellect to refute any points.

You can't give any breakdowns.

When anybody puts pressure on you, you can only come back with your predictable (I've got nothing to say) default responses:

1. Opinion.

2. Tiberi says hello.

3. How many title defences did ........ have?

4. An emoji.


Pathetic.

 

I'd take any version of McCallum over Gabe ****in Rosado

Uhm, no don't put words in my mouth. I never said Toney dominated Nunn, I said he didn't struggle to beat him. There's a big difference.

He lost to two people. Both world level fighters. Keep up. Holmes may not have been the best fighter of the 80s, but he was certainly better than an old Sergio Mora. Y'know, the guy who put Jacobs down.

What like the WBA regular title? And it's a good thing he fought outside of Britain vs Kalambay then, isn't it?

If you actually believe this you're a deluded ******.

If you truly believe that Watson amounts to nothing but a **** verison of Martin Murray, then there's nothing left to talk about.

 

your effort to hype up GGG’s average resume was pathetic and failed miserably .You obviously have the intellect of a little child and I am glad that a lot of posters are losing respect for you.

 

And I'd take Rosado over Williams.

Seems to me that a fighter that is 2-3 rounds down on the cards going into the 11th needing a KO is struggling.

* shrug * Opinion.

Look at the footage. Watson did literally almost nothing for the first three rounds against Benn other than get punched in the gob.

 

Your efforts to cheerlead Toney have been exposed and repudiated

 

I said I'm done.

There's no point arguing with someone who thinks Martin Murray was superior to Michael Watson.

At that point it's better to let the blind lead themselves.

 

you write endless pages of garbage and nonsense But the FACT remains Toney has a better resume than GGG.Nunn, Mc Callum and Reggie Johnson have the credentials and records to back that up. And yes, that is facutual evidence and not an opinion.. I can only laugh how you try to hyp up those C-level fighters resume GGG fought