Fury would go through all of ali’s opponents undefeated and won’t suffer brain damage after he retires
Frazier would have countered Wilder with the hook because he stays on the center line after punching, Frazier always moved his head after punching unlike any of Fury`s opponents.
So we knock Ali even though he fought and beat about 15 or more very good fighters and several ATG's. Fury has beaten one (very old) ATG in Wlad, and one crude slugger in Wilder. This somehow = Fury beats Ali to most on here. It's nuts
Fury is easier to hit than most think. He can look good making his opponent miss, but he also allows a 30 percent connect rate give or take a few with limited opposition. Judging by his gut, he’s not taking a good body punch. I think his chin is average.
Think I'm more familiar w/this site than someone who joined a year ago unless you've been lurking for 15+ years. Don't know what you're posting about "we all knock Ali"? Ali gets more over praise on here than any HW fighter. Even Mike Tyson and Marciano get criticized. So I don't know what site you're yapping about. Second, did you read or remotely understand what I wrote? By today's standards who are those "15 or more very good fighters and several ATGs"? CWs Floyd Patterson 2X and Jerry Quarry 2X. Shavers, Frazier, etc. would all be very small HWs today that would lose to any top HW. Even Norton and Foreman (first career) would be smallish HWs in recent or current era. Facing good to top modern HWs Norton would get blasted out of there early and often. He was against the biggest punching 1970-80s HWs: Foreman, Shavers. I'll give Ken a semi pass vs. Cooney although he was just 37+ vs. Cooney. Look how well Wlad performed at ~40 vs. the 6'6" much younger champ AJ. Of course Ali struggled greatly w/Norton in 3 fights and was "stick a fork in him" done by his later 30s. And don't bring up medical conditions or past prime excuses for any of those past era fighters. You're just making my point that they were mortal humans - not myths. Wilder would have KO'd nearly all of Ali's opponents into next week. So would AJ. Fury would easily beat nearly all of Ali's top opponents. I can only see Foreman as any threat to Fury (or Wilder or AJ) and Tyson could box rings around first (Jimmy Young did) or second career Foreman (Morrison did but Fury couldn't ). Fury, AJ, Wilder are fighting big, modern HWs, not below or just over 200# HWs. If you want to believe 1970s HWs were some magical group that's your delusion.
Why aren't the tallest heavyweights always the champion then? Many of Ali's opponents would embarrass Wilder, they were real fighters then, with strong amateur backgrounds and fundamentals, who were well schooled in fighting different styles of high calibre opponent, not a quite tall basketballer. The disparity in quality to now is ridiculous, but you think a modern 'superheavy', would win, because they're a bit taller? You're a veteran of the forum, so that means you must be right? I don't think your years on the forum have helped your understanding much.
There’s pretty ridiculous arguments on both ends. A lot of the older posters think the classic fighters win based on pure nostalgia, they tend to just point out the flaws of the modern fighters and praise the strengths of the classic ones. While the other arguments are that the modern guys win because of size. Both sides can get ridiculous and there seems to be no grey area.
This fight should've been made 2-3 years ago I have a feeling Wilder will only take the fight for a last pay day in a few years time (given joshua is still the cash cow)