GGG vs James Toney at 160.

I don’t think he’s beating the count!

 

Mendoza,

I don’t care what your opinion of me is. You went down in my estimation a long time ago.

Now, for the sake of the debate, I’ll give you the opportunity to put that behind us.

Now, I WILL FAIRLY answer EVERY SINGLE one of your questions, if you are willing to fairly answer mine.

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At 35 and past his best, Mike McCallum beat Steve Collins, Michael Watson, Sumbu Kalambay and possibly James Toney.

At 35 and past his best, GG struggled with Danny Jacobs.

Don’t you think that GG is a bit overrated?

 

Nope, I have used the exact criteria that he has used, ignoring all of the relevant bits that he has missed out.

Go and reread it.

If he wants to be ridiculous, then I’ll be ridiculous.

The Ali-Wilder analogy is perfect to show how ridiculous he’s been.

He hasn’t allowed for the fact that a pre-Jacobs (Prime) GG fought lesser opponents than Nunn, Reggie and Mike.

He hasn’t allowed for the fact that Toney had a much busier schedule, where he fought literally every month at one point, which saw him fight more fights than what GG has currently fought.

No mass?

Do me a favour.

I’d be seriously impressed if that guy could tie his own shoe laces.

 

Please can you clarify exactly when GG was prime.

What years?

Who was his last opponent when he was prime?

Let me know for the sake of the debate.

Thanks.

 

Oh, noes. Woe is me. What will I ever do without your ridiculous posts?

And yet, here we are

Well, this should be a laugh. Let's see Loudon wind up that bolo punch before he biffs himself on the nose.

I'm sure you don't. Many things must seem mysterious and unknowable to your dim intellect.

And yet, I've explained to you this concept of "ageing" and how people get older and slower. It's obvious (unless you are using Loudon Logic) that both RJJ and McCallum were worse the older they got. But, because you're high on the fumes trickling out of Toney's gym locker, you refuse to recognise this.

The first thing that you managed to get right.

More or less.

^Opinion.

I doubt that. Anybody using Loudon Logic is doomed to fail before they even start.

Fail. Wilder's opposition has been absolute trash. The only guy that was worth mentioning was Ortiz and he was like 200 years old when he got off Noah's Ark needing blood pressure medication. I think Ali's legend is overblown and he might well have more losses than he de facto has, but there's little comparison. Wilder struggled mightily even with his bargain basement opponents and everybody except MVC could see that the moment Wilder ran into a decent fighter he'd get nuked. Wilder was a cherrypicker in one of the worst versions of the HW division in history, and nearly came unstuck several times. Golovkin fought everybody in a much better division and crushed them all. Your analogy fails utterly and I laugh at your poor attempt to discomfit me.

I bet you will Finally, somebody paying attention to your trash.

In conclusion, I'll just put it out there that in my equally long time on this forum, it has been a sad experience watching your slide into gibbering dementia hastened by the pungent smell of James Toney's much-worn underwear.

 

How many times was Thomas stopped? There's your answer. And it did not take a bigger puncher than Holyfield to do it.

What were you looking for on Roy Jones. I must have missed it this is a busy thread. Repeat what you asked and I'll answer. I don't duck out of questions like some others do.

 

These are fine questions.

If you watched his fights I wouldn't have to tell you GGG's prime was before the Jacobs fight where he was age 34. The swarming style attackers don't have extended primes in general, however GGG has an excellent jab so he still can beat top ranked opponents. GGG beat Jacobs, out landing him in 8 or 12 rounds, flooring him, with one round even on punches landed.

I say age 33 was start of decline for GGG, and he was clearly in decline by age 34. By 35 he had lost quickness and stamina. Does that help? Had GGG been 30 for both the Jacobs and Canelo fights, he would win by a bigger margin and probably stop one of them.

Don't you agree GGG also beat Canelo, past his prime at age 35 and 36, when Canelo was on PED's? Yes or no?

By the way if your are a pound for pound guy, what was Toney's highest ranking? I bet GGG was higher.

Also, can you tell me how many current ring magazine ranked opponents Toney beat at 160-168?

Thanks.

 

you got a heck of a double standard there

 

His questions were answered.

My point is past his prime GGG was beating his best outside of his prime.

In his prime, Toney was drawing and losing to fighters that were old or simply not that good to begin with. That is not a double standard, the ages and primes for the fighters were very different. It's simply fact and rather inconvenient one for the Toney fanboys.( Not saying you are one of them )

Now let's see if Mr. Loudon can answer my questions and keep it clean.

 

good debate either way.

 

Now we’re getting somewhere.

Thank you for answering the questions.

So: Are we saying anything up to the Murray, Monroe or Lemieux fight?

Please clarify what you think his last prime fight was, and then we have got something specific to work from.

I believe that he was very unlucky not to win the first Canelo fight, and I hated how Oscar waited him out.

Regarding the rankings, I believe that Toney was ranked either the P4P number 2 or 3 fighter in the world when he fought Roy in 1994.

Regarding his opponents:

MW:

Reggie Johnson
Michael Nunn
Mike McCallum

SMW:

Iran Barkley
Tony Thornton
Tim Littles

 

Have you actually seen them? He takes massive punishment and shows an incredible chin, and that's after his defence has diminished and he's just take flush shots from guys like Morrison, Bowe and Holyfield. The Tyson fight forever solidified his granite chin.

After you wrote: "Not even the biggest Roy Jones fans would say he hit harder than GGG at 160." I replied with the following, which you never answered:

 

@JohnThomas1 YOU DID IT!!!!

 

Toney would beat GGG so bad it has to be stopped