GGG vs James Toney at 160.

He was down at least three times. Mora, Pirog & GGG.

 

GGG is universally accepted as one of the hardest punching middle ever. Compare the KO% if you dare or watch some go GGG's Ko's. GGG hit harder than Jones on PED's.

To learn more try this link. GGG is rated #3. You'll have to tell me where Jones is.

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Fury has never been stopped yet you constantly belittle him for being chinny. Bottom dwelling double standards exposed AGAIN
Yes , Jacobs being put to sleep and being dropped by non-hitters suggest he has a weak chin. Jacobs was never known for being durable.
You prove in all these threads how you hate guys like Toney , Holyfield , Jones Jr etc. .

Answer me this , how great was Toney for beating Jirov when he was 35 at a weight class 50 pounds above Middleweight?
Golovkin can't compete with a guy who was that good. . According to your rules , Toney was way past his best.. yET He he decisively beat a top rated Cruiser.. But I guess this accomplishment means noting to you cos you have deep seeded hatred for guys like Toney.

 

Facts and film, try watching it objectively fanboy. You can not say it did not happen. It did. Nothing I wrote in the review of Toney's top ten opponents is tase. Deal with it.

And oh yeah, for sure Toney beats Monzon in 12 rounds. Just like you initially said Holyfield beat Lewis.

Need I say more?

 

- you are wrong as usual. I actually picked Monzon by close points win (it is on page 1 of that thread).
- you are wrong on Prince Williams too. He was ranked No 4 by the Ring at light heavywieght before the Toney fight.

For the rest, all your points have been refuted numerous times.With Nunn, Mc Callum, Johnson, Toney has the better quality wins by any objective standards. GGG's only quality win is Jacobs. He is a B level fighter and GGG struggled a lot in that one.It is what it is.

And lastly, nobody cares about your personal biased scorecards.

 

I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's impossible.

You're so biased it's a joke.

We're not talking about Harry Greb in the 1920's.

Yes, I'm fully aware that fighters fight every 7 weeks or so at certain parts of their careers. But by modern standards, MOST fighters DO NOT FIGHT THREE ELITE level opponents, plus 2 others, in just a period of 9 months. And IF GG had done that, YOU DO NOT KNOW how he'd have fared.

By your own admission, GG's last prime fight was against Dominic Wade. That's what you have said. So GG did NOT fight ANYONE as good as Michael Nunn and Mike McCallum in his prime.

He did not fight Canelo or Jacobs TWICE, and then fight someone when he was UNMOTIVATED just 7 weeks after.

It's not about just fighting in 7 weeks, it's about fighting 7 weeks after fighting a great fighter, when you're unmotivated.

GG has never had a schedule like James Toney.

All you do, is completely ignore my points, before repeating yours. It's the equivilant of just completely talking over someone when you're face to face.

Do I have to remind you that by the time he was just 26, Toney had fought more pro fights than what GG HAS CURRENTLY FOUGHT.

You can talk all day about how great GG is, but he has never been tested in the way that Toney was. Again, he never fought the quality of opponents that Toney fought. He never fought as often. We don't even know if GG could have beaten Mike, Reggie or Nunn, AT ALL, let alone back to back in under a year.

You and that clown BC8S keep saying: "But GG blew away his competition in a way that Toney didnt"

Yes, you're right.

HOWEVER:

He had an easier schedule where he fought LESSER FIGHTERS.

Your statistics are completely worthless without applying context.

I don't care if he has more title defences.

Fighting 3-4 times a year against B and C fighters, is EASIER than what Toney did.

GG didn't fight A level guys, back to back.

GG didn't fight durable gatekeepers like Williams literally once per month.

He didn't defend his title every 6-8 weeks.

Regarding the Tiberi fight, go and read the links I posted. Jackie Kallen says that he was destracted, and that he was sent to the hospital after the fight with dehydration.

Now do me the courtesy of answering me this question:

If a loss of focus is the reason why BJS struggled with Akavov, then why won't you accept that fot the Tiberi fight?

You tie yourself up in knots in every post.

You can't have it both ways.

If you want to ridicule Toney for the Tiberi and Williams fights, then go for it. Go ahead and mock him. But don't be ignorant and try and claim that that was Toney whilst at his best. Because if it was, he could never have beaten Mike, Nunn, Reggie, Barkley, Sosa, Littles, Thornton and Williams etc. He'd have never have beaten Jirov years later in his mid 30's. So engage your brain for a second. Either Williams and Tiberi were better than all of those guys listed, OR Toney wasn't at his best, LIKE you say that GG WASN'T when he fought Jacobs.

 

No he's not one of the hardest hitting middleweights ever. Almost everyone agrees that GGG has goof power but couldn't stop the best guys he fought.

Compare the KO rates? Is this in their prime or not? Because before their losses, both had KO percentages in the mid 80s. Overall GGG's is higher, but even then Jones' is still extremely comparable.

No GGG KO is as brutal as Jones' over Hill.

How about you tell me who GGG stopped who were comparable in durability to guys like Tate, Hill, Sosa, Malinga &c.

 

Did you read the thread? 12 rounds. Why comment on 15. You think it could go either way over 12. Way to fence sit! Hence you did not pick Monzon on points. Get your story straight.

# Fanboy

You can always change this, like you changed Holyfield vs Lewis from Holyfield wins ( LOL ) to a draw when viability came out.

Your score cards are utter crap. Please post more of them if you can or dare. If you want to score any round with me, I can put your bias in its place. You know it, and so do I. You're a hack.

Also Williams gave Toney a world of trouble. So did quite a few. Why? Toney wasn't that good and all these fights I'm talking about are in his prime. Got it?

Also GGG beat Jacobs. He floored him, out landed him in 8 of 12 rounds, with one round being even in punches landed, PAST his prime. GGG has two 115-112 cards and won via UD.

 

Nobody beats those versions of Nunn, Mc Callum or Johnons easiliy. Highly skilled fighter who were in top shape. Your whole argument is therefore utter garbage.

 

You calling anyone biased is a joke. I answered your questions. You want to cut GGG career in half and compare. How is that fair? It's a joke.

Toney fought plenty of power puffs, more than GGG did. Your point that one of GGG's opponents lost to a very good Billy Joe Sanders means nothing. Do you really want me to drill down on Toney opponent's, who lost to far worse than Lemiux? Think about stuff before you post it, no you don't, I could burry you in such silly comparisons on who Toney;s option lost too.

We've already been over the Tiberi dight. Neither man had an injury, Tiberi has less time to prepare. Toney lost, its was a disgraceful decision. End of. It's an ugly mark on Toney's record period. Aren't they always not at the best when they lose, that's an excuse. Tiberi had not best. His records was inflated and he was stopped but he best he fought ( arguably ) prior to facing Toney.

GGG beat Jacobs clearly. Why even mention this. NOW watch this space. Toney struggled to beat Williams and Johnson, and lost to Tiberi. GGG beat these there clanly without being floored or having one eye closed shut.

We have not even talked about Toney's early draw, or losses to Griffin, or Thadzi, which happened before he was 30.

Sanity check, who do you think hit harder, GGG or Roy Jones at 160-168?

 

Where did I say easily? Not only are you being badly outclassed here, you have to twist words to try to make points.

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^^^ What part of the above is inaccurate??!! Try a direct reply. You can't. You're wrong. Film doesn't lie.

I think Toney was behind vs Nunn and didn't offer a re-match - Fact. In my opinion Nunn would have won the re-match,

I think a 35 year old McCallum edged him in a fight was a was ruled a draw. I provided a card with details.

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These are two fights they fans hang their hat on, one where he was behind, and the inferior boxer, the other where one judge did some fixing o his card to make Toney the winner vs an older past his best.

IMO Roy Jones was away above Nunn or a 35 year old McCallum. He had an easy time vs James Toney.

 

Nobody caresabout your personal scorecard or how potential rematches could have went. The FACT is that Toney has the better quality wins.They PROVE that he was that good. We do not have that proof with GGG!!! Besides, your perception of the Prince Williams is ridiculous but I suspect that you probably once again did not even watch the fight.

 

RJJ beat Toney's ass like a bongo drum. Toney's defence wasn't even that impressive in a lot of his 160 outings. He grew into his skills.

 

Nobody cares, blah blah, blah. You sound like a sensitive fan boy. People do like my posts here, you just can't handle the facts. My eyes are fine, Toney's vs Williams was not

I suggest you skip my posts.

I guess Toney's being Nunn and with his next best win being a past his prime McCallum in your book erases all of his quetiobable performances in his prime.

Wanna score Toney vs Tiberi with me, fanboy? I'm game.

 

you have no answers to my FACTUAL points .