Harder puncher at 160 - Jones or GGG?

@ Machine_Man, read the above. This was a better reply than mine. As such the question you asked is not longer a question, but an exclamation point.

 

Vanes Martirosyan - a career long 154 pounder who came out of a two year retirement to fight Golovkin on 4 weeks notice. This pitiful cherry pick is now being used to prop up Golovkin's punching power. Bottom scraping posting at its worst

 

Comparing stopping Martirosiyan, Monroe, Murray, Adama and Ishida to Malinga, Tate, Hill and Sosa is reaching laughably.

 

Don't agree with this at all. Stopping a man faster doesn't mean you're a harder puncher. Mike McCallum stopped Julian Jackson in two in 86; Gerald McClellan took five to do the same to a 33 year old version of the Hawk in 93 when Julian was fighting above his natural weight. Harder puncher - McCallum or McClellan?

Evander Holyfield stopped James Tillis in five. Two years earlier, Mike Tyson was taken the distance by Tillis. Harder puncher - Holyfield or Tyson? There are way too many variables to simply say fighter a is a harder puncher than fighter b as he stopped fighter c in five whereas fighter b stopped the same fighter c in 8. It's a simplistic equation that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Similarly, I don't think KO percentage is necessarily an accurate barometer of power. It might simply mean that you've fought lesser opposition. Lamar Clark had a higher KO % than George Foreman or Earnie Shavers but his name was never mentioned when Ali was asked who was the hardest puncher he faced. Now GGG might have a high KO% in title bouts but he has fought a few smaller men and a lot of the men he faced would not have been middleweight title contenders in Jones' era. Jones fought better opposition.

A slightly more accurate barometer of power might be whether you can carry your punch up in weight and take out naturally bigger men. That's why the likes of Hearns, Arguello, Robinson, Duran are so exalted as punchers. Jones earned the right with his performances at super middle and light heavy to be included in that company. GGG didn't.

 

It was both the speed, power but also the angles with RJJ. Even if they both hit as hard, if RJJ can land insane angles an opponent isn't expecting, it'll be devastating. It's partly about what you brace yourself with in boxing and if you're caught unaware, you're FOOKED

 

You’ve corrected absolutely nothing.

Every debate that you and BCS8 partake in is based on Boxrec stats.

You are both a pair of Boxrec warriors.

All you do is push the stats.

You never look at the opponents or the circumstances etc.

It’s always just the numbers.

Saying that Roy isn’t in his class is absolutely moronic.

Honestly, you should be embarrassed to write that.

GG’s win over Murray was very impressive. I’m a fan of Murray. Murray can take a shot, and he’s been in the ring with George Groves up at SMW where he took some great shots. Murray has also fought Abraham. A very impressive win for sure.

The win over Vanes M was also good, but how many good punchers has he fought? What company has he mixed in?

Roy was the only guy to knock out Thomas Tate. And Tate took some good shots of off Julian Jackson and went the distance.

Roy is the only guy to knock out Tony Thornton.

Roy is one of only 3 people to knock out Thulani Malinga, and 2 of those were TKOs right at the end of his career. Malinga fought Nigel Benn x 2, Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Graciano Rocchigiani and Lindell Holmes.

Roy is the only guy to knock out Virgil Hill. Hill fought Dariusz M, Thomas Hearns and Fabrice Tiozzo. Hill weighed 180 plus pounds against Roy, and Roy took him out with a single shot in just 4 rounds.

Roy knocked out Montell Griffin with a lead uppercut in a single round at LHW. Like Hill, he also weighed 180 plus pounds on fight night.

The only reason he doesn’t have more knockouts is because he hand issues all throughout his career, and he was content to cruise unless he saw an opening, or if he was pushed. Most of the time, he was more than happy to counterpunch and overwhelm people with his speed. He didn’t really fight aggressively that often.

Once again, what you’ve wrote is absolute nonsense.

 

This is the thing.

The knockouts are good, but you have to look at who they’ve fought.

A win over Malinga is far more impressive when you realise that he fought peak versions of Benn and Eubank, as well as Reid, Holmes and Roch etc.

But these 2 are only interested in stats.

They never look at the quality of their opponents, as well as those guys opponents etc.

 

BINGO.

These Boxrec brothers are a stain on the forum.

 

Great post.

But I wish you the best of luck in trying to get through to these 2 tards.

 

Malinga - stopped 3 times
Sosa - stopped 4 times
Tate - who did he ever beat? Edit: but yeah, he was a tough dude, so let's give RJJ that.
Hill - stopped twice.

 

Correct. And this is something that I highlighted earlier:

"What RJJ has in his favour is his unpredictibility and speed. Jones is more likely than Golovkin to catch a guy unawares with a speedy punch or sneaky punch than Golovkin is. That is a quality on its own that is arguably more useful than sheer power."

I guess the peanut gallery doesn't want to recognise this. * shrug *

 

For starters, Martin Murray has only been stopped by Golovkin and he went the distance with notable supermiddle weight punchers like George Groves, and Arthur Abraham and took Sergio Martinez to the brink, dropping him twice.

 

I think you need to watch these guys before talking.