Vitali Klitschko (2003/2004) vs Wladimir Klitschko (2006-2014)

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  1. Drago

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    The fight that never took place since they gave a promise to their mother.

    In the MMA scene for example, Ken and Frank Shamrock were very open to fight each other. Ken stated: "Brothres fight every day, thats absolute normal. Just look at Kain and Abel".


    I did a mythical matchup once in the biggest german boxing forum (or one of), and basically 80% believed Vitali was the better Klitschko because of his guts, chin, durability and fights vs Lewis and Sanders.

    Others say Vitali is overrated and Wlad was much more tested in his whole career, since his career was so much longer and he had to overcome more difficult situations (like Sam Peter for example).


    Viatli is tougher and can take more shots, Wlad hits harder and had a better technique.
    Vitali is defensive better, Wlad 1996-2004 was arguably offensive better, later he became more Dr. Octopus with Jab and Grab.

    How many shots could Wlad take from Vitali?
    How many shots could Vitali take from Wlad?


    I would say Vitali wins. But maybe Wlad could cut him. Wlad has a reach advantage (measured the wingspan, not the arm lenght).
     
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  2. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    I think Vitali's better chin gets him the win against Wlad
     
  3. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wlad should outbox Vitali. I mean before Wlad's losses to Sanders and Brewster everyone considered Wlad better. And after Vitali's comeback everyone considered Wlad better. It's not like Vitali is a powerpuncher either
     
  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad wins.He is the better boxer
     
  5. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I don’t think Wlad ever beats Vitali. Vitali was mentally strong, physically strong, had an Iron Chin and a very awkward lean back style and seemed to have an uncanny ability to know when to pull his head back from an opponent’s punches. He also had a killer instinct that I think Wlad somewhat lacked.
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, Vitali always said his brother was the better boxer
     
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  7. Drago

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    Well, honestly i have to say i dont believe Peter was still in his peak in 2008.
    Reason: After he got dropped by Jameel McCline in their fight in 2007, Samuel realized he was also vuneralbe and can hit the canvas.
    He took an amazing shot from Wlad in the 12th round in their fight in 2005, but was not on the floor once.
    Against McCline he was down for the first time in his career, and if you ask me these 2 KDs changed his mental attitude, he was more vunerable.

    Of course he was still good enough to KO the old Oleg Maskaev, but this was not the same Sam Pater that fought Wlad in 2005.
    Even in his fights against Toney he was mentally still stronger, the McCline fight came after his 2 bouts with Toney.

    Only my opinion of course. But i felt Peter never mentally recovered from the 2 KDs vs. McCline.
    He lost to Wlad via KO in 2010, and about the same time via brutal KO against Helenius.
    His chin was lost because he was mentally broken.
     
  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad has the better fundamentals. Vitali's only shot would be by KO. The safe bet is Wlad on points
     
  9. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think even Vitali does not agree with you
     
  10. Big Red

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    I think Wlad would be able to win rounds against Vitali, but Vitali would be able to get to much of his offence going for Wlads chin.
     
  11. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wait a minute-200 punches per round? If you even meant 100 that is untrue-in his record setting HW performance Ike "only" averaged a bit north of 80 per rounds. Please say what you meant or correct the number, with references or examples.

    While I tend to favor Vitali, you are also very confused by saying he hit harder.
    Everyone believes the opposite, I believe everyone is correct. No "arm puncher" can hit harder than among the hardest hitting SHW ever.
    Please show the citation where Wla said the opposite. Thank you.
     
  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fury is a terrible example given Wlad's age & his psychological condition given events in his life. Might as well reference Ali vs. Holmes.
    As I just wrote, your punch count is way way off. Look it up & hyperlink actual evidence.
    Though again, I think Vitali should be favored.

    And he was a skilled martial artist & a dedicated, principled activist & politician.
     
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  13. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    About your 2 responses, thank you, & I tend to favor Vitali, but I keep asking for links.
    Your 200 punches per round must have been a mistake that you never addressed.
    The 100 + per round may be true for rare rounds for either Brother, but that is very different from the average you were claiming for Vitali.

    Anyway no reason not to include any hyperlinks, since you will claim it is easy to establish.
    Although again you have shifted your claims dramatically.

    You can also include Wlad's admissions, but if it is years before he finished his career, even if correct & not modest, it does not mean he was better since then.

    And you have again changed the goalposts: a *better* or more effective puncher is completely different that a harder puncher.

    Oh, but in a much longer career with many more fights-forget about better opponents-it is much harder to have the same KO rate. When you factor those things in, Wlad's is more impressive.
    Wlad did not say his Brother hit harder, & almost everybody believes the opposite.
    No arm puncher will hit harder than a very hard hitting SHW.
     
  14. Loudon

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    If it was a hypothetical scenario where they weren’t brothers, and just 2 HW’s from the same country, it’s a different debate.

    As is stands, Wlad is, and always has been second to Vitali.

    Vitali is his hero.

    He’s looked up to him his whole life.

    He’s his big brother.

    He’s the stronger, more dominant character.

    Wlad would never have had the belief that he could have beaten him.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    It’s not as simple as that.

    Vitali is his big brother and his hero.

    Wlad knows that he’s not physically and mentally as tough as Vitali.

    Being the better boxer isn’t enough
     
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