It's your mortgage (or whatever) versus the top men time again

LHW - Jones Jr
MW - Jones Jr
WW - Ray Leonard
LW - Mayweather
FW - Juan Manual Marquez
Bantam - ummm either Hamed or Rafael Marquez
Fly - I don't watch Flyweights.

 

Lomachenko was definitely a better 126 than Marquez, and I’m not even much of a fan of his.

 

I have a tough time seeing anyone beating Olivares while trying to use an aggressive boxer-puncher style. Trying to go to trade with Olivares is asking for a painful night. Jofre was versatile enough to outbox him, but a sneaky counter-punching technician like Herrera is the guy who I'd feel safest betting on. Plus y'know he did it twice.

Thoughts on how an Ebihara-Canto fight might play out? You think Ebihara stands any chance of pulling a Kingpetch on him?

 

I disagree on Loma being better, although I'd pick both over Saddler. Marquez has shown time and again that he makes pressure guys pay for any mistake they make. Both too technically good for Saddler, while having the firepower to make him honest

 

Marquez was only near his peak for about his last two fights at 126 (Juarez and Barrera). He didn’t win most of his bigger fights before that point.

 

LHW: Gene Tunney
MW: Marvin Hagler
WW: Roberto Duran
LW: pernel Whitaker
FW: Jeff Fenech

 

R Marquez best weight was bantam for my money. I like his counter punching against an aggressive Olivares. I like that he's heavier at the weight than Olivares would be. I think Rafael was quoted as rehydrating back to 140lbs while making the 118lb weight limit. That would offset Olivares aggression.

If you're talking about Hamed being inexperienced and green, he was. But inexperienced Hamed, was fitter, used more footwork, punched in combination, broke fewer boxing rules and was harder to hit clean. Experienced Hamed was flatfooted, didn't punch in combination, didn't use much movement, threw 1 punch at a time.

The 15 rounds thing is a margin of 25%. In distance running, adjusting for 25% between athletes means very little in end result. IE the best 800m runner in the world is also the best 1000m runner in the world. These 12 round fighters generally fight at a higher pace than most of the 15 round fighters. But towards your question, if the 15 round fighter slows his pace to complete the fight, how does that affect: Mayweather, Jones Jr, Marquez? It benefits them because they're counter punches fighting at a more comfortable pace. They're also extremely fit boxers. Jones Jr boxed after playing a basketball game. Mayweather spars way longer than championship conditions. And Marquez too has immense stamina, boxing into his late 30s

 

Marquez absolutely dominated featherweight. He was robbed in a close fight against Norwood and totally raped by the judges against Chris John.

Juarez and Barrera were at 130

 

My mistake. He wasn’t at his peak at all at 126 then.

No robberies occurred.

Take a snapshot from 99/2000 and Hamed and Morales were better than him. A few years later, Pac and Chris John were equal or better.

 

LHW: Spinks.....this one is an assumption that Charles' classical style will be offset by Spinks'.......well, weirdness. Spinks was a terrific nullified. If anyone can flummox a Charles, it might well be him.

MW: Greb. Much of the rationale is the same as above, and Greb seemed impervious to any attempt at psyche jobs. He seemed immune to the idea that anyone in the world could possibly be tougher than him. I'd actually favor him over Monzon.

WW: Leonard. He might match Robinson in speed and had enough power to keep Robby from simply walking in. Great movement too, a combination of all these things was probably as alien to Robinson as the converse would be.